On 2013-12-02 23:59, Charles Plessy wrote: > Hi all, > Hi,
> am I wrong or among the supporters of the concept of release goals, > there are no members of the release team themselves ? If yes, then > it may be more fruitful to explore alternatives. > I think there are (or, at least, were) some supporters of the concept on the team. I certainly remember several members of the release team following the Multi-Arch/ia32-libs removal release goal in Wheezy. I suspect part of the issue is that the current team is less invested in many the individual goals compared to earlier releases. In theory, this should be good - the project should be able to have a release goal without the driver behind it being a member of the release team. In practise, it has not worked out so well. In my experience, many of the Wheezy release goals became "second-rate" goals - we simply failed to follow up on those goals as we promised, we would. To me, release goals became "that outstanding job we never had time for"[1]. Honestly, I had mixed feelings when we decided to stop doing release goals. On one hand, I felt we were letting go of a good tradition and at the same time, I felt relieved that we would have one less thing hanging over our heads. Despite us letting go of release goals, I would love for the project to have something like release goals. If I have but one "release goal" for Jessie, then it is to get our freeze/release process back on track (including a freeze no longer than 6 months). I do not think it satisfies our own SMART criteria, but consider it a personal goal of mine. :) > The Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEP) have an advantage, as they > provide a way to record whether a given goal is still relevant > after a release, or if it has eventually been obsoleted. > > http://dep.debian.net/ > > Have a nice day, > It is quite possible that we should be looking at DEPs as (a part of) the replacement for release goals. I certainly hope that people, who wanted to do a release goal for Jessie, will not be stopped by all of this. Rather, I would be glad if they still carried out their proposal - be it as a personal goal for Jessie or a DEP. The secret behind completing a release goal is "doing it" (or convincing other people to do it for you[2]). ~Niels [1] Please note that this had nothing to do with the actual goals proposed for Wheezy or Jessie. There are several goals for both Wheezy and Jessie I accepted/considered to accept as a release goal. [2] Pro-tip: Tools like Lintian and piuparts are exceptionally good at convincing people to change their packages. :) They tend to also give you at least the SM in SMART. Then you just have to focus on the ART of the (release) goal. (SCNR) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: http://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
