On Thu, 3 Jul 2014, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > The proper solution is to stop trying to hide ourselves from to the fact > that some sort of systemd interfaces have been made unavoidable in > modern desktop environments (fact which is rightfully reflected in our
Eh… you know… these are not all that Debian runs. A lot of Debian systems even run without dbus! > As developers of Debian (which this list is about afterall), our proper > solution is not to forbid systemd on our various systems while hoping Why not? > or without systemd btw). Given that the technical committee has made a > decision which stayed unchallenged (so far), I've now come to think that No, there just has not been any challenge that met the form and other requirements… and I am at a bit of loss at what to do here. Besides, it’s not that the TC made a decision. Rather, the TC was split, and the chairman threw in his weight. This is absolutely not what I’d call a project(!) decision. Also… see below. > We are collectively developing an operating system, not only assembling Yes… a universal one. > Can we get over this now and start making Jessie the most awesome stable > release we've ever prepared together? To do that, it MUST work without systemd, if alone for upgrade scenarios. And alone the fact that the systemd issue *continuously* pops up shows you that it is nowhere even near solved. Furthermore, the TC(-chairman) decision only was on the default init system for the Linux ports of jessie. This means that • installing jessie with other init systems • switching between init systems • default init system for kFreeBSD ports • default init system for Hurd port • which non-default init systems are there? are still on the table. (Due to Debian’s requirements for sane upgrades, running a jessie system that was upgraded from an older release with sysvinit MUST be fully supported, anyway.) I’m a bit torn between throwing it all (which is a bad idea ofc), writing a GR myself (which is also a bad idea due to my lack of language skills), packaging BSD init for my own repo, joining the (currently unheard) runit-as-init crowd… bye, //mirabilos -- Sometimes they [people] care too much: pretty printers [and syntax highligh- ting, d.A.] mechanically produce pretty output that accentuates irrelevant detail in the program, which is as sensible as putting all the prepositions in English text in bold font. -- Rob Pike in "Notes on Programming in C" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.11.1407031652560.4...@tglase.lan.tarent.de
