The Wanderer dijo [Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 11:18:12PM -0400]: > > It must work without systemd well enough to be able to cleanly reboot > > the system from the GUI, after upgrading. > > > > Anything beyond that is nice-to-have, but definitely NOT required. > > I, for one, would be highly displeased if a routine dist-upgrade to > testing required me to reboot to avoid having things break.
Of course. But then again, how much is "routine" a change that implements a long-discussed decision that took so many months and flames to reach and settle. Settle. The decision is taken and settled. Yes, we must find a way to harmonize it with the different init systems existing in the archive, and the non-Linux ports of Debian. But the decision is taken. > I generally dist-upgrade my primary computer to testing about once a > week, give or take, but I don't reboot it more often than once a month - > more commonly three to six months, and I'd prefer that to be longer if > possible. (And often when I do reboot, it's due to a power outage that > overwhelms my UPS.) FWIW, my unstable system didn't break or anything after I upgraded it to systemd. Yes, I rebooted within a week, but it was not "a reboot is needed to keep this system operational" in any way. > I would argue that in order for Jessie to be "the most awesome stable > release [...] ever prepared", it must work without systemd well enough > to let everything that worked before the upgrade to Jessie continue to > work equally well until the user decides to reboot - whether that's > immediately, or six months down the line. Previous releases could > successfully be used that way, after all; I've done it with at least one > of them. Hate mails rehashing the arguments that should have already died months ago won't make Jessie any more awesome. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140705135714.gb103...@gwolf.org