On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 7:58 PM Karsten Merker <mer...@debian.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 01:49:57AM +0800, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > > The last time that we spoke, Theo, some time around 2003 you informed me > > that you were doing so very deliberately "to show everyone how stupid I > > was". It was on the linux kernel lists. It was also very shockingly > > unkind. I can see some signs that you are tryint to be deliberately > > confrontational and I do not like it. > > > > As the Debian lists are covered by the Debian Conduct document, please read > > it and review the talk that was given in Taipei (it had a panel of 5 people > > including Steve McIntyre, if someone remembers it please do kindly post a > > link). [i found it: https://wiki.debian.org/AntiHarassment ] > Luke, please reconsider what you wrote above. ted has a history of being abusive, and hiding it extremely well. the term is called "intellectual bullying". it's where someone treats someone in a way that, to the majority of people, looks really, *really* reasonable, but on close inspection you find signs that they're not actually trying to work *with* people in the group, towards a solution, they're using the conversation as a way to make themselves superior to another human being. this is a form of "harrassment" - an intellectual kind. > The only person in > this thread whom I perceive as being confrontational is you, > while Ted has in my view been perfectly civil and completely > non-confrontational in what he wrote here. ah, karsten: yes, i recall your violent hatred from very recent conversations on other lists. i did make an effort to present you with an opportunity to use the resources from the conflict resolution network, www.crnhq.org, but i did not receive a response. your response may seem reasonable to you, however you just demonstrated - as you did on the other list - that you are willing to "blame" another person and are willing to *support* others who have engaged in intellectual bullying in the past (Ted Tso), and are actively supportive of his efforts to try that here. just as you were actively supportive of the ongoing recent and persistent intellectual bullying on the other list. i'm therefore contacting the anti-harrassment team, above, to report both you (Karsten), and also Ted Tso. i appreciate that it's normally just for events, however they are the people most likely to be in a position to speak with you, privately, and also to advise on the best course of action. if you had responded on the other list, in a way that demonstrated a willingness to resolve matters and work together, for the benefit of everyone on that list, i would not be reporting you here. if you had responded on *this* list with words to the effect, "did you know, luke, that your words could be viewed as being confrontational? to me, it genuinely looks like Ted is being perfectly civil. could you clarify, as it looks like i have made a mistake in interpreting what you have written? what did i miss?" i would not be reporting you here. can you see the difference between that paragraph, above, and what you wrote? do you notice that the rewritten words do not assume "bad faith"? l.
