On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 11:25:20AM -0500, M. Zhou wrote: > On Sat, 2025-01-11 at 13:49 +0100, Fabio Fantoni wrote: > > > > Today trying to see how a new person who wants to start maintaining new > > packages would do and trying to do research thinking from his point of > > view and from simple searches on the internet I found unfortunately that > > these parts are fragmented and do not help at all to aim for something > > unified but not even simple and fast enough. > > And those fragments also changes as the time goes by. Such as the sbuild > schroot -> unshare changes. They are not necessarily well documented in > every introduction material for new comers. > > Even if somebody in Debian community has enough time to overhaul everything > and create a new documentation, it will become the situation described > in XKCD meme "standards": xkcd.com/927/ -- we just got yet another document > as a fragment as time goes by. > > LLMs are good companions as long as the strong ones are used. In order to > help new comers to learn, it is better for Debian to allocate some LLM API > credits to them, instead of hoping for someone to work on the documentation > and falling in the XKCD-927 infinite loop. > > Considering the price, the LLM API call for helping all DDs + newcomers, > I believe, will be cheaper than hiring a real person to overhaul those > documentations and keep them up to date. This is a feasible way to partly > solve the issue without endlessly waiting for the HERO to appear. > > Debian should consider allocating some budget like several hundred USD > per month for the LLM API calls for all members and new-comers' usage. > > DebGPT can be hooked somewhere within the debian development process, > such as sbuild/ratt for build log analysis, etc. It is cheap enough > and people will eventually figure out the useful apsect of them. > > Opinion against this post will include something about hallucination. > In the case LLM write something that does not compile at all, or write > some non-existent API, a human is intelligent enough to easily notice > that build failure or lintian error and tell whether it is hallucination > or not. I personally believe LLMs, at the current stage, is useful > as long as used and interpreted properly. > > > BTW, I was in the middle of evaluation LLMs for the nm-template. I did lots > of procrastinations towards finishing the evaluation, but the first > several questions were answered perfectly. > https://salsa.debian.org/lumin/ai-noises/-/tree/main/nm-templates?ref_type=heads > If anybody is interested in seeing the LLM evaluation against nm-templates, > please let me know and your message will be significantly useful for me > to conquer my procrastination on it. >
-- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ OpenPGP: B8BF54137B09D35CF026FE9D 091AB856069AAA1C ⠈⠳⣄ Wir sollten allen Milliardären weltweit ein Ultimatum setzen: Wenn ihr in einem Jahr die Klimakrise nicht gelöst habt, werdet ihr enteignet!“ (@nicosemsrott)
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