First, as a disclaimer, I am not a DD or officially part of the Debian
project, and did not participate into any vote. I helped with release
testing from time to time, did support online for other users, but
that's it.

So, as you may imagine, this is about the recent vote most of you
participated in.


Every tool you (as a community) made, dpkg, apt, (cross)-compiler
infrastructure, mirrors, etc. You made it with your own means and
resources, as a community first, and as an individual second. The
community made it possible to get where the project is today (and I'm
very proud to be a Debian user)

Modern large language models (not the concept of a language model in
itself, but the "product"), on the other hand, are only made possible
by vast amounts of capital, energy and infrastructure
expenditures. These will always be needed to train and build a model,
be it closed (like all iterations of Claude) or open-weight. These are
very high costs.


>From the outside, I've also witnessed how much of training also
carries its own toll on the FOSS movement as a whole. This is a cost
too, that is passed onto the community, without its consent.

For example, agressive scraping leading to DoS. Even the linux kernel
project has had to put up guards to keep their git available for
themselves. They also had to deploy LLM-against-LLMs, to deal with the
enormous amounts of LLM-assisted (wisely or not) patches being
sent. I'll stop there because I guess, most of you know the
story. Comparing to large language models "as a tool", do we know any
other community projects where the costs for their development were
this high? I cannot think of any, personnaly. If someone did a tenth
of that damage to another FOSS project, they would be rightfully
banned.


Anyways, my personal feeling, as a long-term Debian user since 10
years, is that I am surprised of this decision. Debian is known to be
conservative and cautious about novelty, which is a quality in
itself. To say that the project is fine with allowing itself to
become, as a whole, potentally more reliant on something (LLM models)
that:

a) It cannot redo by itself, even with all of its resources

b) Which needs enormous and continuous capital expenditure to stay
   relevant and useful 

c) Which we don't know if it they will continue to be available under
   the same conditions in the future, or at all

d) Which leads to higher costs (both expenditures and social) on the
   project itself, and on upstreams

Is hell of a bet on the future, and on its future, to make. As a long
time user, I am sincerely worried about the direction that Debian is
currently taking.


BR

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