Osamu,

My apologies for replying privately - I thought I was replying to the
group.  I appreciate your time in answering my questions.

Trying to figure out the best way forward isn't for lack of trying.  But
you have assembled quite a lot of information here and I can use that to go
forward.

I think creating documentation externally then sharing it here is probably
the best way forward.  Thanks for the recommendation!



On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Osamu Aoki <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Let's keep this in public so others can benefit.
>
> Short answer is "There is no rule how does one contribute new document
> ... it is just like the case for new software packages.  It's
> do-ocracy."
>
> See http://upsilon.cc/~zack/talks/2011/20110321-taipei.pdf
>
> For changes, find and contact proper ML or BTS.
>
> Let me elaborate more ...
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 03:19:15PM -0500, Robert W. Oliver II wrote:
> > Hi Osamu,
> >
> > Thank you for your reply.  I spent about an hour going through the Debian
>
> Sorry, but it looks to me that it was not enough time to read key docs
> linked from it.  It is huge site to get an idea.  For example, please
> read at least:
>  * http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/
>  * http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
>  * http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/
>  * and all the site I mentioned in the previous mail.
>
> (I do not even remember all these.  I use google to find some info
> within our site.  You should do the same.  I am writing in my foreign
> language and it is taking some good time to respond to you.)
>
> > site, but I think a lot of the documentation for new documents is quite
> > confusing.  Perhaps this is an area that can be improved on?
>
> There are many things to be improved as always but your comment is too
> vague for me to answer specifically.  (If you are talking about web page
> organization, this ML may not be the right path.  There is a list for
> web page.)
>
> > What I'm specifically wondering, other than the wiki - how does one
> > contribute a new document or changes to one?  Is that done through a
> > sponsor?  If so, are there any mentors willing to sponsor a new
> documenter?
>
> For my case, I created "Debian Reference" by myself and published under
> the license compatible with Debian elsewhere on the web.  I was invited
> by DD and asked to make package.  I did and he sponsored it to the
> archive and put it to the Debian Site.
>
> Before that (and also after that), there were many attempts to put
> skeleton of document and expected "OTHERS" to finish.  Those ended up
> UNFINISHED works.
>
> Please read "Chapter 1. Getting started The Right Way" of "Debian New
> Maintainers' Guide".
>   http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
>
> This gives you idea how this kind of organization work. No body handhold
> me to learn.  It was tough but I did it by myself.  Since we are
> volunteer organization, we tend to be resource stretched.  Your
> contribution should be interesting enough for others to feel like
> spending time on it.
>
> These days, if you have many wiki pages, then making full doc may be an
> idea only as the next step.  There is no reason to make another
> unmaintained half-done doc as regular web pages.
>
> Besides, you seem to have pretty good presence on the web. You can
> create a site publishing documentation if that is what you want to do.
> Once they are done, let us know.  If you wish to fix/correct things
> already on our web site, please file bug report or communicate via
> proper mailing lists.
>
> Oh, if you have idea to improve our web page, I think you should make
> proof-of-concept pages and discuss with people managing web pages.  When
> you do that, I strongly recommend you to understand how our pages are
> translated and published to many mirrors.  (This is not small private
> web pages on a single server.  They are documented somewhere on the web
> and some VCS repo.)
>
> Osamu
>
>


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