On 25-May-02 11:26:57 Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: WV> On Sat, 25 May 2002, Fabian Sturm wrote: >> On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 03:58:26PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> > If a sysadmin allows too many freedoms to a user, you're likely >> > to end up in big problems. Clueless users trying to 'play' with a >> > system can accidentally make a mistake and fry the work of >> > hundreds of co-workers without the intend of doing so. >> >> I didnt say that the system should make it possible to mess >> with other peoples data, but I should be able to play in my own >> environment without limitation.
WV> 'without limitation'? WV> Diskspace costs money too, for example. Unlimited diskspace is nice, WV> but only few companies can afford it. Doesn't the inherent design of the Hurd make it a natural for distributed computing environments? Meaning if someone really wants more drive space for their stuff then thay can spend $100 or less and add 40 gigs to their personal environment. [snip] WV> Giving people freedom requires restricting other freedoms, to WV> prevent less important freedoms to interfere with more important WV> ones. Think about that one for a second ;-) [snip] Ok so there is a matter of having your cake and eating it to. Perhaps the following can be re-written so that it's clear that ones freedom does not include "freedom to take freedom away from others". Re-written in computer speak or even better in the Hurd speak. ---- The Universal Law Preamble The purpose of human life is to prosper and live happily. The function of society is to guarantee those conditions that allow all individuals to fulfill their purpose. Those conditions can be guaranteed through a constitution that forbids the use of initiatory force or coercion by any person or group against any individual: The Constitution Article 1:�� No person, group of persons, or government may initiate force, threat of force, or fraud against any individual's self or property. Article 2:�� Force may be morally and legally used only in defense against those who violate Article 1. Article 3:�� No exceptions shall ever exist to Articles 1 and 2. ---- Where the only force being applied to prevent abuses is? Isolation via permissions given or not to mess with stuff you do not own? And there is the hackers ethic to consider as well, where having access to the world doesn't mean you can change it but you can make a copy and change your copy and even share your copy with others. The Hacker Ethic: ------------------- Access to computers - and anything which might teach you something about the way the world works - should be unlimited and total. Always yield to the Hands-On Imperative. All information should be free. Mistrust Authority - Promote Decentralization. Hackers should be judged by their hacking, not bogus criteria, such as degrees, age, race, or position. You can create art and beauty on a computer. Computers can change your life for the better. ------------------- Off Topic? not if it leads to clairity once and for all in regards to freedom and security issues of the Hurd. --- Timothy Rue Email @ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Web @ http://www.mindspring.com/~timrue/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
