--- Georg Lehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello! > > El s�b, 11-01-2003 a las 18:06, Marcus Brinkmann escribi�: > ... > > But there is not much that is Hurd specific in installing the Hurd. So it > > makes a lot of sense to just port the Debian installation procedure, from > > debootstrap to debian-installer, to the Hurd. Help with this is > > appreciated. Some people like James Morrison and Glenn McGrath already > > started with that some time ago, and surely there is a lot still to do. > ... > > I share this point of view, if James and Glenn are listening, please > could you point out what to do, or where to find some point to start > from.
I think the best place to start is debootstrap. As AJ Towns said in the bts, the current patch is unacceptable for debian. > However, I am not at all familiar with the internals of the installers, > I just use them a lot, also, real live will kick in at last next > wednesday and who knows if I'll get left time to breath. It looks like I am too late to be commenting :) > On the other hand, I am convinced, that cross installation from a > running GNU/Linux systems will be of interest now and in the future. Cross installing from GNU/Linux should be the same as installing a neighbourhurd. So, yes, this is very much of interest to anyone working with the Hurd. > While the Hurd, and the underlying MACH or L4 are less stable and > featurefull then Linux, the probably conveniest way to run a Hurd > machine either as user, or as Hurd/Mach/L4 Developer will be to have > Debian/Gnu/Linux running on the same machine. Do do the stuff above you need to run Bochs, or other type of emulator/virtualizer. > So the timeframe seems very large. > > What also strikes me is the fact, that parts of the configuration will > be similar on Linux/Hurd machines, so it seems reasonable to do this > configuration only once, whenever possible and take the data for the > other installation. For Debian GNU/Hurd, the installation should be almost the exact same as for Debian GNU/Linux, as this is the Debian installer. > But maybe it's just because I'm to lazy or impacient to get original, > unofficial Hurd installer CD's ;-) > > ------------- > At this moment, I am installing a Hurd system with some little helper > scripts, which I bumped together today. They cover Step 2 to 5 of Neal > Walfields Installations guide. > > When I get some time (maybe monday?) I'll finish them up with a README > and put them on my webpage, just in case somebody is courious. > ------------- > > Now I need some pointers, information or discussion, how people think > that: > > a) the system installation process should work (in Debian/GNU/Hurd) However it works in Debian. > b) How the boot scripts should work (in Debian/GNU/Hurd) I'm not sure, I haven't looked at Wolfgang's init system yet. It might be nice to use it. > ad a) While Hurd and Linux behave almost the same once they are > installed I doubt that the installation is very similar. Fundamental > bits are different > filesystem mounting > init process/runlevels > obtaining hardware/system information > So decisions have to be made, to which point Debian/Hurd will try to > emulate Debian/Linux behaviour, and from where on Hurd specific > features will be favoured. Hopefully the differences will be abstracted out by the Debian installed. > ad b) I have read some discussions about this. Personally I use > daemontools which is not standard in Linux. I like runit, but this > is all matter of personal taste. Wether integration of lots of > packets is make easier or even possible depends on the choice of > system V init. But more important even: To make worth the effort of > _any_ package porting a decision has to be made: _any_ decision. As long as the debian packages have some abstract way of affecting the system initialization, we can do whatever we want. > Best Regards, > > Jorge-Le�n Some comments on debootstrap. I looked at it over the weekend. I'm about half done the work, and none of the testing (the long part). So, I'll try to unbreak my GNU/Hurd box at home and fix this stuff up in the comming weekend. After debootstrap, hopefully someone can look at debian-installer and see what we can get from it or we can do for it, as I should say. ===== James Morrison University of Waterloo Computer Science - Digital Hardware 2B co-op http://hurd.dyndns.org Anyone referring to this as 'Open Source' shall be eaten by a GNU __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
