On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 07:19:27AM +0800, Jason Lim wrote: > > > On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 10:56:12PM +0200, Emile van Bergen wrote: > > > > what has size got to do with it? > > > > > > Because the distinction between a customer and an ISP is not clear. > > > [...] > > > > that was a tautology. it only matters if you think size is relevant. > > > > it doesn't matter in the slightest whether an ISP's customer is another > > ISP or not. > > Using your mentality, then everything always gets escalated to the highest > point (since everyone below the top-most ISP is essentially a customer). > So... essentially, the highest point is nearly always the network > provider... UUnet, Level3, MCIWorldcom... whomever owns the actual > physical cable. >
Calm down and think it through. There is a chain of responsiblity and any incident can be escalated. If ISP1 is on Sprint and ISP1 takes no action about spam from spammer-leaf-node-on-ISP1, then one needs to escalate to Sprint to take action to enforce aup on ISP1. If it turns out that sprint pipes mail to abuse@ into /dev/null, or even has a yellow contract with ISP1 that permits spam, then what? Or it might be that an ISP is trying to do something about a customer (monsterhut) or is just half-assed. Maybe you use rfc-ignorant. It's also possible that your standards might not jibe with everyone elses. Me, I think any site sending email that will not accept bounces deserves to go into RBL. Not everyone would even qualify such email as spam, but we do. You might decide that your customers cannot live without Sprint. You might decide that they cannot live **long term** with such actions. Or you might give them a choice. -- Christopher F. Miller, Publisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] MaineStreet Communications, Inc 208 Portland Road, Gray, ME 04039 1.207.657.5078 http://www.maine.com/ Content/site management, online commerce, internet integration, Debian linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
