> GNU doesn't have a problem with removable media. Linux, the kernel, sucks > for removable media. And until the kernel devs get out of the 1970s, > that's not going to change. but the problem is that GNU is nothing without Linux kernel. And things with removable media should be done on kernel side.
------- Original message ------- From: Larry Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Automounter in KDE Date: 11 Август 2005 20:08 > On Thursday 11 August 2005 09:13 am, serja wrote: > > > This has been a long thread which has left me none the wiser. Could > > > somebody sum up the present conclusions or point to an > > > easy-to-understand resource on present KDE, Debian or Linux mounting > > > philosophy? > > > > I think developers from kernel.org not really support the idea of > > automounting and they definitely not support the unplugging / hardware > > eject of removable media thingies without umounting them. > > And that, of course, is the core problem. Yes, removing stuff without > unmounting it is a problem that is not solved without eliminating > write-behind cache. Fine. But when I plug in my multi-slot USB card > reader, it should automatically create logical, consistent names for each > slot independently and then mount them as needed. There is, in 2005, > simply no excuse for that to not work automatically. > > Yet, when I do so, I have to first spend an hour with udev's various > not-well-named-or-documented tools to figure out what the heck it is and > how to identify it, then write a udev rule that I hope works. Then when I > insert a card, I first have to unplug and replug the reader so that it > notices (no joke), then wait about 15 seconds while nothing happens, then > try to mount the device (generally using KDE 3.4's media:/ IOSlave these > days, but whatever). That's about a paragraph too long. And that's on > Debian with KDE. Fedora with Gnome, SuSE with fvwm, it would likely be > different. > > This is very much a hardware-software interface issue, which means it's a > kernel issue. Whether the tool itself is in user space or kernel space > architecturally, the fault for removable media still sucking lies with the > kernel team. This is a problem they should be solving, not punting to a > half-dozen half-baked, incompatible bandaids. (And yes, that's what even > media:/ is.) > > GNU doesn't have a problem with removable media. Linux, the kernel, sucks > for removable media. And until the kernel devs get out of the 1970s, > that's not going to change. > > -- > Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 > > "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of > exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, > which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to > himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the > possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." > -- Thomas Jefferson
