On Thursday 04 September 2008 10:39:32 Ben E. Hard wrote: [snip] > > That's exactly what this policy is supposed to protect from. New > > applications will be released and some users will definitely want them. > > You should look at KDE 4.1 backports for Lenny as an additional > > feature/service. Actually, as KDE 4.1 could not be included in Lenny due > > to unfortunate release timing and a few other issues, we thought that > > adventurous Lenny users should not be left only with aging KDE 3.5. > > Sorry, but it's never been a goal to provide the best possible KDE 4.1 > > desktop experience in Lenny. > > I know that it is only an additional feature and that Ana doesn't want to > provide the "best possible KDE 4.1 desktop experience" in Lenny. But why > shouldn't he or somebody else provide a good experience with some more KDE4 > programs for Lenny? > > >>But I'm not saying you should do all that work of packing all > >>kde4-programms. > > > > Criteria is set - backports of official KDE 4.1.x modules. No more or > > less. I do not think that making exceptions is a good thing. > > Why not? Why that fundamentalism? Don't you want to leave it to Ana which > packages he includes?
Both of your question above resume in the same answer: lack of man power.
The group needs it's resources to other more important stuff (remember
backports are unofficial).
Of course, you are most welcomed to do the backport's packaging. I don't know
if we have the necessary server space for that, but I guess something can be
arranged if you decide to help with that :-)
[snip]
> > some programs not working or not integrating completely in kde4
> > KDE 4.1 desktop in Lenny is an *additional* and *unofficial* feature
> > which you can use as it is with no support (as in no fixing of Lenny-only
> > issues).
>
> Why do you think it is without support? Of course there is no official
> support of debian, but Ana kindly responds to that mailinglist.
And, AFAIK, she is the only one doing the backports. That's the problem :-)
> > Basically, Lenny will always be like this as you see it now (with
> > regard to software up-to-dateness). Finally, you probably do not want to
> > use Debian stable release anyway. Once Lenny is released, keep using
> > testing ("Squeeze") and it eventually will get the whole KDE 4.x desktop
> > and other KDE 4 applications.
>
> Of course, but I have the feeling that these backports are meant to help
> testing users to use KDE4 right now before Lenny is released. The backports
> won't include anything after KDE 4.1.x (so are the plans according to
> kde4.debian.net), as the backports will be useless once official
> KDE4-packages appear in testing.
Most Lenny users that wanted to test KDE 4 I know switched to the experimental
repos, using Sid. They are quite happy with them.
So, you are surelly most welcomed to help improve the backports :-)
Regards, Lisandro.
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Walter Opyd
Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
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