Am 27.07.2016 um 18:40 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: > Am Mittwoch, 27. Juli 2016, 17:38:55 CEST schrieb Holger Schramm: >> Am 27.07.2016 um 14:07 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: >>> If you want to have stuff as it comes in, you can still switch to unstable >>> – which works quite nicely for weeks already, IMHO. >> >> I was long time afraid to use sid (although i work with debian 24x7 a >> day (servers and desktop), because it is called "unstable". But after I >> have switched and used sid a couple of weeks I am suprised about it, >> because I have less strugle with it instead of using testing. Especially >> the different versions in testing with kde were very annoying (I don't >> blame the maintainers about that). > > Please note tough that there is no guarantee whatsoever that things work > correctly in unstable.
I am aware of this. > At some time I wasn´t even able to log in to the Plasma desktop, since it > crashed while doing so. But this didn´t last for more than 2 days I AFAIR. > > The major transitions that build the background of this temporary > instability, > like the G++ ABI transition and some other stuff I don´t quite recall at the > moment, are done. So I do not expect any major instability issues with > unstable at the moment. > > But again, this is no guarantee. Back then I even installed MATE desktop that > would even work if Qt would be completely broke (which it was for some time). > > On any account I suggest you are keeping another desktop around just in case, > or at least be willing to temporarily install one, in case you want to follow > unstable. Also… directly after a release it may be wise to stay with that > release for a while, before following unstable again. I have additonally installed xfce for a long time, because if kde screws up I can use xfce which is based on gtk. Furthermore I have daily incremental backups of my desktop, a second computer to test the updates and if nothing explodes, I update the main computer. I feel that I am well prepared to survive. And if a problem occurs I have no issues digging very deep. > That said, if you are willing to deal with issues, report them, help > resolving > them, find temporary workarounds, I see unstable as a quite viable > alternative. > Similar things apply to testing, however when using transitions works out as > expected, in the future it may be a bit more stable, at the price of having > to > wait longer for new stuff to trickle in. What doesn´t work tough is to > complain about that unstable is exactly that, well unstable, instead of > focussing on the solution, i.e. making it stable again, or just applying a > temporary workaround. > > I think this was one of the main points I´d like to bring up here all the > time. Let it be a conscious decision and be ready to deal with the > consequences of it and it can be quite adventurous, but lots of the time also > quite pleasant experience. And if you stay positive and constructive, you > help > to keep the quality of Debian or to make it even better. > Thanks for your tipps and advices, I really appreciate your patience in writing all these long emails about using testing/sid the right way. -- Holger
