Dear Aurélien. Aurélien COUDERC - 23.01.22, 23:17:32 CET: > please consider that events being commented here have already > happened, had consequences and it’s not like you can go back in time. > > Debian like most human groups has rules on how to become and stay a > member of the community. If you’re interested in them you can find > pointers at : https://wiki.debian.org/DAManager > The discussions on this have long passed usefulness and are more and > more offtopic for a Debian mailing list for KDE users.
I think when Debian account managers remove Debian developer status from someone who contributed a lot to KDE packages in Debian, it is fair enough for users to express their frustration with that. Muting discussion is a pattern I have seen so often in Debian that I meanwhile unsubscribed from various development related mailing lists of Debian. Also cause it hurt reading what I read there. I am not a Debian developer and this in part is cause as my motivation increased to become one I saw more and more that Debian at least in part has become a toxic environment. I do not like to be involved with the kind of politics I have seen in Debian in the last years. In my perception it certainly did not get better. That written, I don't know what it was this time. I cannot say for sure whether it was justified or not. I could try to dig it all up, but most likely after I try to read the mails related to this I would have more question marks than before. I would not be surprised if there would not at least be two sides of the story. Both perfectly valid. And the solution would have been to talk *with* one another in a constructive way. I am not (yet) ready to jump ship at the moment. Well in part I did by moving to Devuan cause of the utter failure within Debian to resolve the conflict regarding the introduction of Systemd, however, I understand perfectly well that without the activity of the Debian Qt/KDE team there would be no KDE Plasma and Co in Devuan. I am grateful for that. But at the same time I feel it is fair enough for users of KDE software in Debian to express their frustration with what happened in a *respectful* way. From what I have seen happening within Debian within the last years, I am not likely to increase my formal engagement with the project unless there would be an in-depth transformation process of the culture regarding how to handle conflict within the project. I am just not ready to deal with the amount of toxicity I have seen within the last years. There is a culture within Debian to stifle conflict instead of moving through and then resolving it, and that clearly doesn't work. Conflicts are a natural part of human relationships. It is sad, cause on the other hand I usually got along well with members of the Qt/KDE team and at least helped a bit here and there, not with packaging, but with communication with users, bug triaging and things like that. Fortunately enough KDE project mostly appears to be a much more welcoming place. It is sad to see what is happening from within Debian to Debian, but I see myself not in a position to do much about it. Best, -- Martin
