Hi, On Sat, 14 Jun 2014, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > Because: > > - it would become unmanageable and hard to read > > - listing companies is a way to make them accountable of their promise > > (i.e. "thank you for the promise, now is the time to deliver!") > > - companies are usually much more interested in public visibility in PR than > > individuals developers > > - listing volunteers that promised to help but did not do anything yet seems > > wrong to me > > In that vain, it doesn't make to list companies that haven't > contributed anything yet either.
I think I have answered this just above. It's a way to make them accountable of their promise by delivering what we can deliver in exchange, i.e. a bit of publicity. > Why not put up a wiki page that can get continuously updated, and > actually show which companies have in fact contributed? You're welcome to do this. It would be a nice complement to see whether companies followed through their promise. Note that in the case of companies that contributed via Freexian, they are already listed publicly. > I think this is where things like Freexian should be mentioned, not in > the announcement. People should list there the packages and types > that they work on, and anyone interested in paying for support for > that type of work click on their link to a contact to the supporting > company, which may be Freexian (or something else). I see that Jens updated the wiki page to list people paid to work on LTS vs volunteers. I believe this is a bad way to separate the volunteers. Nowhere else do we segregate volunteers on the basis of whether they are paid or not. That said it's effectively a good idea to list there the people who are available for hire so that companies willing to support financially know who they can contact. So I enhanced it further: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Team > I am also in the camp that thinks singling out Freexian as the support > entity in this announcement is immoral. I respect your feelings but I believe that you're using quite strong wordings to call this immoral. We tried to word it in a way to make it clear that Freexian was not in a special position of favor from Debian except for the fact that it's the only company who has setup such a scheme to support the Debian LTS effort. On Sat, 14 Jun 2014, Michael Gilbert wrote: > On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > Why not put up a wiki page that can get continuously updated, and > > actually show which companies have in fact contributed? > > Better yet, why not state "This LTS update brought to you by company > X, company Y, and company Z" in every relevant lts-announce message? > That gives those companies a little publicity boost for every monetary > contribution, which may be something some are looking for. This is certainly doable for updates contributed by volunteers paid by a single company, it's a bit more problematic in the case of people paid by Freexian. But it could be done. All your ideas are good but they would be far less effective than having a clear message in the announce. So IMO they are a good complement to the announce. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer Discover the Debian Administrator's Handbook: → http://debian-handbook.info/get/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: https://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
