----- Mail original ----- > De: "Andreas Tille" <[email protected]> > À: [email protected] > Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Août 2011 10:14:08 > Objet: Re: Communication channels: Please raise your opinion > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:33:36AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > I a quite clumsy with IRC and in a distant timezone, so please go > > ahead without > > me for meetings. > > Seems like Thorsten and me might be alone ... but I try to lurk on IRC > and we'll see who might join. >
I will try to join, but not sure (I am on holiday and need to take care of children...) > > It is nice to have a Debian Med blog (with the name of the poster, I > > think that > > is uncontroversial). I can understand that some readers of Planet > > Debian did > > not like Steffen's post about shopping at Amazon, but still I found > > it > > interseting, because the message is not only an invitation to buy, > > but also > > simply that Steffen is exploring how to channel unavoidable expences > > (daily > > products) in a way that brings money to Debian. > > To say shortly in public what I wrote Steffen in private: I asked him > for a *heavy* rewrite or to kill the article at all. > > I agree that a report about using Amazon infrastructure for free for > computational biology is an interesting topic and perfectly worth a > blog > posting. There is no question that a "thank you for this" is > apropriate > if we get support for the goal we are targetting as a team. > > However the topic became blatantly spoiled by the obvious attempt to > drag other people into Amazon customer chartering which is TOTALLY > (sorry for shouting) unacceptable on behalf of the Debian Med team. We > simply can not advertise some specific company be it Amazon or > somebody > else and I have a very strong opinion about the links to Amazon that > remained on the Blog page: They need to vanish as soon as possible. > > > Personally, I think that apologises and correction for future posts > > were > > enough. > > I perfectly accept the apology, but the part "correction" is IMHO only > half done (remaining Amazon links). An exclusive(!) report about using > the Amazon infrastructure would be fine for me. But this report should > eyplain in detail how to log in, some measures of calculation speed, > whatever. > > > “We will not hide problems” is our social contract, so I find that > > removing the blog entry from Planet Debian is a bit out of > > proportion. I have > > seen people advertising their company or, like this morning, > > publishing some > > comparative buying guides that are much less related to Debian. > > Well, *people* are free to blog whatever they want if they want to > carry > the risk of beeing regarded as spammer. We can not prevent this. > However we have to deal with an anonymous posting on behalf of a team > which is unacceptable. > > > Also, I think that posts about > > bioinformatics would be appropriate for Debian Planet, as long as > > they are > > related to Debian Med as a team. > > I would see this in a very wide sense: Anything which is somehow > related to Free Software in our field - even very specific articles > touching this area are fine. > > > Lastly, (about the blog), I think that discussions about the Amazon > > cloud are > > appropriate. > > Definitely. > > > Steffen received from Amazon some free hours of use for the > > purpose of doing Debian development there, and I think that is very > > similar to > > hardware gifts that Debian recieves. I think that it was good to > > thank Amazon > > in front of the Debian community. > > Thanks to those who deserve it. > > > There would be a clear misbehaviour and > > conflict of interest if for instance we would regularly mention > > Amazon or any > > company in the hope of obaining more sponsorship from them, but this > > is not > > what we are doing. > > IMHO we are doing this currently on our blog by linking to Amazon. > > > Back to the other topics, I will briefly mention that I am not very > > interested > > in the current microblogging platforms. Sorry to be negative, but I > > do not get > > used to the arbitrary limitation of 140 characters and the URL > > obsfucation. > > I'm personally sharing this opinion. However, I came to the conclusion > that complete ignorance of this stuff might stop us from reaching out > to > more users and thus I try to force myself to some extend into this. > > > In conclusion, what made people nervous on one hand, and what we > > need on the > > other hand is money. I am often thinking on how I could integrate > > some Debian > > development in a research grant, but this is not easy given that my > > research > > projects are more centered about making technological developments > > in molecular > > biology, and that in my career I am still at a stage where I can > > hardly propose > > a project hiring more than one person with good chances of being > > accepted. But > > let's keep this in mind (for instance, Japans's JSPS Advanced > > Research Networks > > call http://www.jsps.go.jp/english/e-c2c/). In general, I think that > > we should > > favor ways to get money that is managed by institutions, be it SPI > > or our > > research centers. > > Our strong connection to Debian helps us getting some money. However, > the last sprint has shown that a bit more will not harm. I'm not > sure about the numbers but I do not think that some of our activists > should pay more than for his own expenses (if at all). > > > Perhaps the most ambitious way to channel money into Debian Med > > would be to > > sell it as a shelf product or as a book describing how to use it. > > That would > > be a big project, but that may help research labs to contribute by > > buying > > the product. > > I would really love it if somebody would do this. I'd volunteer to > write 2-3 chapters of a book - but I'm not totally convinced that this > would sell that much to get more than one sprint done. Writing a book is nice, but takes a lot of time... and what would be the kind of content? DebianMed is a mix a Debian (I mean here pure linux stuff) and bioinformatics/medical tools. Tools themselves cover a wide range of usage (from practitionner to bioinformatics in labs).... Olivier > > > It would also cut some trees, but that is another story ;) > > Trees are cut for much worse things ... :-) > > Kind regards > > Andreas. > > -- > http://fam-tille.de > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [email protected] > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/[email protected] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: http://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
