On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 06:38:20PM +0100, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 01:23:51PM -0200, Herbert Fortes wrote: > > Can someone read the bug report[0] an give > > an second opinion? > > > > [0] - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=885404 > > > > We disagree when an NMU is necessary and how > > important the request is. > > wow - wtf. > > I'll keep my comments here structured: > > 1) I believe Jonathan is very very hasty on making NMUs > a) whilst true that NMUs today are seen very much with a nicer eye than > in the past, it's still considered not something to do lightly, not > even when somebody is on the LowNMU list or the package is in > collab-maint > b) also, upload an NMU the day after saying he has a patch and 3 days > after the original bug report is totally hasty, no matter the delay > c) and usually as soon as the maintainer replies to a bug all the > intentions to NMU drops in favour of a team upload (unless the > maintainer asks for a NMU, as it often happens) > 2) I totally don't understand what's Herbert's problem with the > proposal, providing /usr/bin/duc from both the regular and -nox > package sounds a very nice idea to me
Well said, I agree 100%. I consider both parties to be wrong here: * Jonathan went very hasty on the NMU * Herbert refuses a patch for a quite annoying thing, fixing which requires no effort on his side (as the submitter did all the work), without providing any rationale It's a clear bug to me: the package behaves in a different way based on whether an unrelated doodad (some X stuff) is installed or not. That breaks people's muscle memory, requiring user's effort for every single machine the package is installed on -- or, on every invocation, thinking "is this shell on a GUI machine?". And I for one ssh to my home desktop a lot. "because one does not want to press tab" is a ridiculous explanation. Thus, Herbert: could you please tell us if you have any reason to reject the fix, other than being annoyed with a NMU done in a wrong way? > Summary: please just stop meta-discussing whether or not a NMU was the > appropriate action to take, and start discussing the actual bug, with > neither party being so stubborn as it looks from my side. Yeah, Jonathan's error was formal, while the bug applies to actual functionality. Meow! -- // If you believe in so-called "intellectual property", please immediately // cease using counterfeit alphabets. Instead, contact the nearest temple // of Amon, whose priests will provide you with scribal services for all // your writing needs, for Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory prices.
