Quoting "Juergen A. Erhard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [snip first part] > > [SNIP Chris# response] > > I'd propose (if I were a developer), to *not* put everything under the > sun into the default menu. > > Instead, we should make it editable... such that, when the user first > opens the menu, there are some (limited) defaults, like, one *std* app > for each category (or maybe two)[1].
I disagree with this. For the common purpose, I just don't install thing I don't need. Must entries in my menus are entries that I need. They're just lost in the jungle of a too much generalize section like Tools or Net. > > There needs to be default entries/menus in the root menu > > + Help, with contents as Chris mentioned. Agreed, that's one good section, at least. > > + Session or Exit or s.th. like this. I'm pretty annoyed with Exit > (and Restart) being in WindowManagers, where every user will look > for them (my old AfterStep .steprc had a root menu Exit). I don't think this is control by the menu system in general. I think it's a setup made by each WM maintainer for the menu system. e.g. E get it's logout in the root menu. With a Default Apps menu, a Gnome menu, *and in the Gnome menu*, the Debian menu. > > + Config This Menu... okay, maybe a Config menu, with entries for > all relevant stuff. Including, of course, the general Debian menu > editor. Gnome has such an entry but not all WM follow this strategy. I agree however that having a Debian menu editor will be a good thing. Take in mind however that we can't make an editor for all aspect of menus in all WM (especially for specific functions like exit or restart). > > I think this would make much more sense than the current `group by > where it is in FTP'. We really should group by what it does, and be > more intelligent about this. Hum... isn't what the menu system currently allow? As far as I know, the current division of the menus is slightly different from the one of the package sections. > > Yes, I know there's no such thing as a Debian Menu Editor. But I > think the menu system needs to support editing/customizing the menu > hierarchy for this to be really useful. > > The menu that is displayed needs to be separate (on a per-user basis) > >From the menu hierarchy in which packages install their entries/menus. Completely agreed with you. Currently, you can get a per-user menu but they're no easy way to add the Default menu in it (Or I don't know it). In addition, the users menu are not update System-wide, update-menu should be run by the user each time he want to update. I think this should be an option. > > The menu editor would then show the hierarchy of installed > apps/tools/etc, and the menu as currently configured, and the user > could copy entries or whole menus between them... For a good implementation of the menu system, I suggest you to take a look at the KDE menu editor. I think also the gnome system have something similar (I don't try it yet). > > Also, this would make adding locally installed packages easier. For this, equivs is still the best. > > What do y'all think? > > Anyway, > > Bye, J > > [1]We should generalize mime-types and alternatives: both are > priority-based. For the menu hierarchy, this means the top priority > apps of each category (and the top categories) go into the default > menu. Please, don't mix them all. Program I used for viewing documents [mime-types], aren't the same that I used currently [alternatives] and I still want all of them in my menus. When I used one more often then the other, either I add a special local menu entry, or add a Dock/panel/ launcher/shortcut entry on my desktop. > > - -- > Jürgen A. Erhard eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (GERMANY) 0721 > 27326 > My WebHome: http://members.tripod.com/~Juergen_Erhard > Internet Movie Database (http://www.imdb.com) > Win32 has many known work arounds. For example, Linux. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v0.9.4a (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAjcaYwYACgkQN0B+CS56qs33TACfSZUFWC7Q7kPI12CtSDBu6BI0 > ikcAoKJaBJyDmF3XdRaHYst0tqlGPoGw > =Zlwk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > Thanks for your comments. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fabien Ninoles Chevalier servant de la Dame Catherine des Rosiers aka Corbeau aka le Veneur Debian GNU/Linux maintainer E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebPage: http://www.tzone.org/~fabien RSA PGP KEY [E3723845]: 1C C1 4F A6 EE E5 4D 99 4F 80 2D 2D 1F 85 C1 70 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
