James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > upload his netscape-base (IIRC) to main. The package (like tik) was > undoubtedly DFSG free (Adam wrote it), but without netscape it served > no useful purpose. I think free software which depends on non-free > software to be useful belongs in contrib. I think this is the spirit > of the policy manual, but it's certainly not explicitly stated there.
First, you are removing a very important distinction: You have no control over what is on the other end of the connection. Secondly, "useful" is vague. What is useful? What if tik had a "test" mode? It may be useful to some to learn about what it does. The code alone may be useful. Back to the first point. Perhaps I use lynx exclusively for e-commerce, and the only sites I use are running non-free servers. Thus, lynx is not useful without non-free software. On the other hand, you might disagree. "useful" varies from person to person. I have control over what goes on my computer. In many cases with client-server programming, one not only has no control over what is on the remote, but has no IDEA what is there. As any first-year networking student will tell you, the protocol used is completely independant of any particular implementation of it (cf. OSI). > Note: the problem here is the *exclusively* non-free nature of > required software; if there was a free server to connect to (e.g. with > samba, you don't _need_ to connect to a M$ server), I wouldn't have a > problem with it being in main. But that's not correct. The program can start, and it can run, on a machine with solely free software. contrib is for things that cannot even do that without non-free software. You are penalizing a piece of free software because another piece of free software, perhaps not even for Unix, doesn't exist yet. This is silly. Let us look at other examples: ICQ, and the Linux kernel (thanks to Is on IRC for this second analogy). ICQ clients are in the same boat. They have been allowed into main. Why? The Linux kernel and LILO requires non-free software (PC BIOSes) to boot. Yet they're both in main. Please don't reject something simply because it's from AOL. You need to treat everything the same, and perhaps when you try to apply your actions universally you see the folly of them. -- John -- John Goerzen Linux, Unix consulting & programming [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Developer, Debian GNU/Linux (Free powerful OS upgrade) www.debian.org | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ The 134,963rd digit of pi is 1.
