Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 10:50:40AM -0400, Adam C Powell IV wrote: > > > Uh, mine's been stable for quite some time. Your attitude seems to have > > been > > influenced by Apple's practice of planned obsolescence- no reason to support > > perfectly good oldworlds when we can force the masses to buy new ones! > > Might > > as well scrap the whole m68k Debian distro, and its dirs in the kernel > > source, > > right? > > not at all, my point is that oldworld powermacs are worthless for > anything more important then occasional tinkering to blow time.
Mine makes a fine mail server/firewall. In the two years it's been running linux, it's crashed *once* from a hardware failure (disk going bad). The only other downtime was during a blackout. It sits underneath my desk, so I can get to it during those rare occasions that I can't ssh in, which has really been only during clean installs. > i don't find a machine that requires dozens of fscking attempts to > build a working kernel for suitable for anything important, they are > nearly impossible to remotely administer given the 99% chance the damn > thing won't boot if you replace a kernel. i don't know about you but > i have better things to do then run around to the console of servers > to fsck with boot loaders. and if the machine is security critical > (has users etc) i better damn well be able to upgrade the kernel *now* > and not have to screw with it for days, weeks, monthes to get it > working (if ever) To replace the kernel you mount the macos partition, rename the old kernel and replace it with the new one. Sure, it takes an extra 15-30 seconds to reboot, but I don't change the kernel that often, so it's not really a big deal for me. > my opinion is this: > > for anything remotely important these machines are nothing but > trouble. It's only a problem if you insist using OF/Quik. > > if all your interested in is a tinkering machine they are fine. so > long as you don't mind mandatory macos. > > if you want a macos free system get something other then a oldworld > powermac. an old intel box a sparc will be much better choices for > that. Why you would buy *any* mac if you didn't want to run macos is a mystery to me. But a lot of people have these machines lying around when they could be doing useful work. At least that's why *I'm* on this list. Best wishes, cbb
