On Sat, 2006-07-08 at 17:58 -0700, brian wrote: > sorry, more to tell. > > i just went away for a break and now the disk is making noise.
How so ? While running ? while idle ? > it is this parking thing, that was like a clunk before i upgraded > the disk driver of apple from the 8.1 to 9.1 (the 9.2 driver cause > mac os to hang on restart) - that is now click but it is loud enough > you notice. also the disk feels rather warm under my palm. > > i guess i will have to go look at hdparm pretty quick at least, or > go back to bootx for a bit (reference : just zap pram) if i'ts doing that sort of noise while the machine is ine use, it's time to think about getting a new disk... > part of my urgency on the backups was i have replacement > disk for pismo which could then transfer to the 3400 its old one. > but i need to back up both first. there is not so much hurry, > except for me to time with etch --> stable, and which machines > i have would be compatible with that. > > i am a little confuse also about: can use different kernels with > out reference to version of debian. so for instance 2.4.x with sarge > or 2.6.15 etc. mixing and matching to me... > > possible i could try one of the old world to netboot from the pismo > as server to try out some things. but i don't even have LAN working > yet... > (just wireless internet - one card shared between powerbooks) > > > > > > > Benjamin Herrenschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2006-07-03 at 22:14 -0700, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote: > > > If you really want to bypass extensions when using BootX, > boot with the > > Shift key and use the Control Panel. > > It's not clear to me what machines he's talking about... but I > think a > PowerBook G3 model 2000 is a newworld machine which isn't > supposed to be > used with BootX. > > > In general, I also recommend booting oldworld's via Open > Firmware when > possible (it can be made to work with beige G3s for example > using some > Apple nvram hacks and netboot works with almost every oldworld > machine > out there using bootp/tftp, you can netboot the zImage.coff). > OF booting > is always more reliable than BootX. The problem with BootX is > that it > "kills" MacOS but that sometimes leaves some hardware devices > in some > active state, potentially bus mastering or doing other horrors > behind > linux back and corrupting memory. You should use BootX if > nothing else > works. > > Ben. > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > i am sorry if i have confused people, by mixing topics too much and i > hope i am > not doing it again here. > > i have to say i have put quick on my powerbook3400/Sarge machine now > and > it seems to be fine, perhaps a bit better, but not to say all is well > yet. i took bens > advice to eliminate possibly bootx quirks with my misc problems. > > it was sufficient for my boot hangs over scsci "double loading" to > simply use > the startup version of bootx for this oldworld machine. that is > specifically > to restart rather than using the control panel. but because of my list > of > other errors i went ahead and got quik going. > > for reference: i used ofpath command of ybin package to get the path. > then > i used "Apple System Disk" to set the open firmware variable including > that. > note - it appears, using the command printenv at OF prompt that the > apple util > resets the load base and a couple other variables i am not familiar > with as well. > i found link to "ASD" at linuxppc/quik page; also note it is not > necessary, just > convenenient - if one checks the debian bug reports for quik, there is > some > work at automating better on the linix side, as ybin does for yaboot. > > mostly i did not use quik before because i was unsure if i could > easily still use > my mac os including conveniently and safely. it took me some while to > feel assured > that this was the case. all i do is type bye at the boot prompt rather > than boot > (note i told "apple system disk" i wanted a pause). the debian > installer posts > a big warning which scared me off and and also some other distros > advise > against it. it is not currently set up for beginner to debian even > transferrees. > > i have my entire linux system as the first partition on the disk, of > type > "new world bootblock" w/out a separate partition for quik use , > followed by > swap and mac partitions. > > more later about my attempts to boot a backup on scsi (internal drive > here is ata) > some way some how if not by the powerbook then by a beigeG3/Rev2. (get > it ? > back up copy sarge), and perhaps to try the powermanagager stuff again > on pb3400. > > about the other confusion, sorry also: my testing/etch machine is a > rather highly > modified pismo/powerbook-firewire. having used yaboot there also made > it easier for me to try quik. my problem there is i have no backup, > yet, but i am > going to try a different drive/cable. > > backup is important !! computers and disks burn up ! the all do > eventually, > often unexpectedly !! > > brian > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
