On Mon, 2017-03-06 at 08:59 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > > > > On Mar 6, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Michel Dänzer <mic...@daenzer.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 06/03/17 04:20 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to use atyfb you have to > > > use > > > the fbdev xorg driver. That's my main point. > > > > If you mean for Xorg to use atyfb, that's technically correct, but > > I'm > > not sure how it's relevant. > > It's relevant because using the FB driver is always a working > fallback solution. > > > > > > > > > I was talking about the missing DRM module as explained in the > > > linked > > > article on the X.Org wiki. > > > > The kernel module is only needed for DRI 3D hardware acceleration, > > for > > which the needed Mesa driver isn't available in Debian (or even > > current > > upstream Mesa) anyway. > > I know DRM is required for 3D acceleration. I was not sure if the > driver would allow to be loaded with the DRM module missing. > > > > > > > > > But in any case, using fbdev should always work. The "mach64" > > > driver > > > may be broken because it's more or less orphaned. > > > > Except for the part where Riccardo says that the same userspace > > works > > with an older kernel. > > I missed that part completely. > > > > > Anyway, I looked at Riccardo's original post again and noticed that > > his > > xorg.conf has options disabling all hardware acceleration of > > xserver-xorg-video-mach64 anyway. In that case there's no benefit > > in > > using that vs xserver-xorg-video-fbdev. > > On a sidenote: Please be more polite on this list. There is no need > to be that rude and condescending.
No. He wasn't rude. Not a bit. He simply was - as most of the time here - very specific, terse and up to the relevant technical points. And yes: I miss Michel's postings here a little bit. He's a pro, and I definitively trust him a lot when he's commenting here or elsewhere. Here's an example of what might be understood as rude. It was written by me, years ago, on this list: "Situations like that is why I say that Debian-Linux does not work for people with a girl-friend or a family, or for folks who need to get a job done on a computer in a reasonable amount of time. Or for folks who simply like watching shadows on the wall (John Lennon :) or the stars above them. I'd guess it's a system for folks not knowing what to do with their lives if they had a working OS on their computer." Whole message: https://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/08/msg00559.html I admit: I miss postings like that previous one a bit ... :) > > Thank you! No worries, Adrian: I'm immensely grateful to all Debian developers, maintainers etc. for their work - and to every single one of them. I'd suggest to not destroy the fun of working on it by being too sensitive about what people *might* have had in their minds when posting here .. Love you all .... :) Wolfgang > > Adrian