On 10/12/18 4:39 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: >> Well, you can't really expect that someone will give you a full course ... > > Sure I can.
Not really, no. Free software doesn't mean someone isn't working for free. >>> fakeroot ? >>> >>> That alone is something from the distant past that bothers me. >>> >>> Nope ... not interested. >> >> What's wrong with looking things up that are not familiar to you? > > I was using fakeroot back in 2001 or maybe it was 2000. Can't recall. It > isn't unfamiliar. I just don't see the need to get my own kernel in > place. Debian needs it ... I don't. I did not say that you are supposed to use it. I linked one of the many online tutorials available which explain a way to build your own kernel. There are many tutorials out there. If you prefer a different way, I would be the last one to tell you otherwise. >> It's not that people are not willing to help. It's simply that time and >> resources >> are limited and in Debian Ports, we don't have the manpower to provide a >> polished >> product where we have each and every corner-case covered. > > Right. You are busy elsewhere and so leave the long verbose crud to > schmucks like me. I have done it before over and over. It isn't fun > but it helps the next person and isn't that the whole point? Building your kernel is a extremely ubiquitous and common topic. I don't want to brag, but I have already done that when I was 15 or 16 when I installed SUSE Linux 5.3 for the first time. Again, it's a handful of commands. > BTW I > wrote the original Solaris Zone docs and OpenSolaris kernel build docs > also and they were entirely step by step. Better language. However > very hand holding. Don't expect anyone to look at your technology and > play with it if you make it secret and special and impossible to play > with. Such is life. Again, a) a lot documentation for building a kernel already exists, b) we don't have the manpower to do any hand-holding. For professional products like enterprise distributions, companies actually have dedicated doc teams, at least SUSE does. >> Building your own kernel isn't really difficult. It's mostly a matter of >> installing >> the build dependencies for the kernel with "apt-get build-dep linux", then >> downloading >> the source tarball of the kernel you want to use, unpacking it, copying the >> configuration >> from /boot/ which you are currently using to $KERNEL_SRC_ROOT/.config, >> running "make oldconfig" >> and applying any patches you want to test. Then just "make", "make modules", >> "make install" >> and "make modules_install". There isn't anything more to it, really. > > Well let's see if that is really true. I have yet to see it work. > So there must be secret magic in there somewhere. I suggest then that you post the particular error message you are seeing. That's much easier for me than writing a 50-page documentation which spoon-feeds the process. >> Writing a document like this takes really a long time ... > > days. Yep. Coffee. Curse. re-coffee. re-curse. Without anyone reimbursing me for that. It's not that my time is free. >> and as already said, this is >> just something we can't do - at least I can't. > > Don't worry about it. If there is interest .. then people will make the > effort. I need to clean that up and re-write it and get the Debian way > of things in there but it can be done. By someone else. Not you. > Relax. Again, the documentation already exists. > My real interest is in RISC-V anyways. Just wait until I climb on top > of that. The process of building a RISC-V kernel isn't any different from building a PowerPC kernel. >>> Would be nice if the "Debian way" were written up in a step by step fashion. >> >> I think there are better ways to spend so much time than writing >> documentation >> that already exists. > > Maybe. I have a really nice coffee machine. Then feel free to write a super long and extensive document which spoonfeeds users the process to build and install a Linux kernel from source to be run on a Apple PowerMac G5 running Debian PowerPC unstable. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - [email protected] `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - [email protected] `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
