On 12/12/05, David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 01:59:05PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > > also sprach David Nusinow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.12.11.0539 +0100]: > > > Martin, I'd like for you to come in to #debian. Not for an hour or > > > a few hours, but for a few weeks to see what it's like. We have > > > consistently refused to support non-Debian distros for years, > > > including knoppix and ubuntu. We always point people to where they > > > can get the help they need and try to leave it at that. > > > > I have been on #debian for a while, and I can understand that you > > are fully booked. Still, #ubuntu is not the place to which we should > > send people when they want Debian vs. Ubuntu thoughts. > > Have you been in the channel? I've never ever seen you in there. You > obviously haven't put in that much time answering questions. > http://debstats.dontexist.org/ doesn't have you on the list, so you can't > have been that active in actually doing the work. And #ubuntu is a fine > place to send people who want to compare the distros. This avoids the very > real problems with > 1) Flamewars > 2) Trolling > 3) Non-Debian users asking for help in a channel that can't really help > them > 4) Debian users with problems getting ignored due to saturation of > knowledgeable people's by non-Debian users. > Your solution totally fails to address these problems without creating > vastly more work for us chanops. Thanks for volunteering that we do this > work for you, but no thanks.
In a volunteer organization the people doing the work should also determine the kind of work done. However, there is a limit to that sort of autonomy. If you wanted to support nothing but X problems, or only problems running quake, then we can all agree that either someone else should take over or the IRC channel shut down. I hope that you do not use your status as a volunteer worker as a shield against accepting constructive criticism. If being a channel operator is such a burden, then perhaps you should give it up. You read the transcript: are you saying that you think your fellow operator acted rightly? Banning me when I was getting the information I needed, not banning an obvious troll (deadcat), and finally banning me before telling me where to complain and when it was obvious I was leaving anyway? This question, for me, is moot since I don't plan on using #debian IRC again. I expected a level of maturity from a Debian representative that I did not get. And now when I have taken *my* time to complain and hopefully make the organization better, I recieve classical beuracratic defensiveness, with no clear lines of accountability I can follow to get around *that*. And to quote "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view": "As a volunteer organization, Debian has historically been less good at making time-based or predictable releases, and has a difficult time providing accountability." That last part is certainly proving true. -- "All the soarings of my mind begin in my blood." -Rainer Maria Rilke
