On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 08:54:06AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Andreas Barth wrote: > > We should definitly continue to support oldstyle booting, at least for > > the time being. > > Until what? Missing boot-time dependencies were the only problem that had > to be adressed to fix boot sequence ordering.
Until we're 100% confident that the new method is working correctly, and is not causing problems for our users. That's how we've always implemented intrusive changes such as this one. I have no problem with making it the default for new installs -- that makes sense. However, it should still be possible for people to remove it if they have problems with it. > Sure administrators will have to learn tweaking init scripts > dependencies instead of tweaking numbers but one always has something > to learn when upgrading to a newer version. This isn't just about 'learning new stuff'. > > > I think the missing point here is that insserv is just one of the ways to > > > fix the problem of having to guess a correct start number, among many > > > others; and any system that doesn't implement that is actually a > > > regression. There are other tools similar to insserv that also do > > > dependency-based booting (but AFAIK none of them are in Debian). > > > > So you are telling us here that anyone who depends on the 20+ years > > working method of ordering boot with decimal numbers is using a > > regression? > > They are relying on an inferior system and the fact that they are used to > it doesn't change anything on its inferior design. What makes it an 'inferior design'? I utterly disagree with that statement. There are advantages to dependency-based boot systems, sure; but there are advantages to *not* having that, too (e.g., it is more deterministic, and therefore easier to debug). Debian's had multiple choices for init scripts for a long time (file-rc vs sysv-rc). I don't think there's any good reason to throw that out the window. -- The biometric identification system at the gates of the CIA headquarters works because there's a guard with a large gun making sure no one is trying to fool the system. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/01/biometrics.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected]
