On Wed, 22 Jan 2014, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > 2) the alternative is that they give up on the idea, or host it > > themselves, which makes it harder to work collaboratively on the > > service, and results in services that have a single maintainer (or > > none, in the end). > > How does having a random VM running in a cloud somewhere make that > service easier to integrate into the wider debian.org setup?
It means those people who want to experiment get to ask a VM at some predefined places where various parties can monitor who is asking and what their projects are. > think it does; what does is the first point: talk to us so we can figure > out what works for both sides. Especially given you want to give root > to developers on those VMs, there's absolutely nothing that points in a > direction of those VMs being more integrateable than a service developed > on a developer's own laptop (in a VM or in their regular environment). Indeed, but it gives others (including DSA) an opportunity to chime in sooner. > > Another requirement is that the developers should have root access on > > the virtual machine, so that it's easy to try various options without > > DSA intervention (remember: this is about developement/beta testing, > > not about running the service in a super-stable, production mode). > > Who's then to ensure that machine is secured and kept up to date with > security patches and doesn't become a source of spam? Sorry to say, but > most developers are not good sysadmins and they do not have the tools > and infrastructure set up to do systems maintenance well. For this to > be an option at all, we'd want to sandbox the machines heavily enough > that they will be less attractive machines to develop on than a > developer's own laptop. What kind of restrictions do you expect to have to set up? I can imagine some restrictions on outgoing mails (like Amazon VM do by default) but what else could impeded the abilitiy to develop a new service? > It's sgran who's been thinking about how to do this, but afaik he's seen > close to zero interest from developers for it, so it's not happened > yet. I don't think we need anything from the DPL as such, but if people > are actually interested in something like this happening, saying so > would be a good start. I would be interested by it. I would have used it for pts.debian.net (instead of the Amazon VM we have now). And later, I would like us to be able to use a Debian cloud to automatize the rebuild of reverse dependencies with a set of updated packages. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer Discover the Debian Administrator's Handbook: → http://debian-handbook.info/get/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: http://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
