❦ 12 août 2017 07:37 GMT, "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wij...@debian.org> :
>> > That is a disservice to our users. While for many users this is true, >> > those >> > users will have contrib (and probably non-free) enabled in their >> > sources.list. >> > So moving the package to contrib doesn't change anything for them. The >> > only >> > people who see a difference are the ones who asked not to see this kind of >> > software, and they will no longer see it. That is a great outcome, not >> > something to get upset about. >> >> By default, contrib and non-free repositories are not enabled. They are >> also unsupported from the security team. They are not part of >> Debian. They are an additional service provided to users requesting it >> specifically. > > Your argument seems to be: > > Debian cares about free software. > Therefore, Debian does not enable contrib and non-free by default. > Therefore, users may not see non-free related software. This is a problem. > Let's fix it by pushing that software into main anyway. No, _your_ argument is that contrib and non-free are part of Debian and are just a fine recipient for random software. I just emphasize the fact they are not part of Debian. My argument is that services are not software. Free software depending on non-free services (something we don't define in Debian) should be in main. Like they always have been. > In other words: We care about free software, therefore we should put non-free > (related) software in main. What? Strawman argument. Please, refrain from that. > If you believe it is a problem that our users don't have access to the > software > in contrib by default, then propose to fix that. The obvious way to do that > would be by enabling contrib by default, not by moving software that belongs > in > contrib into main. Contrib cannot be enabled by default, it is not part of Debian. It's an additional service using Debian infrastructure. Policy is quite clear about that. And honestly, I don't have to do a thing. Nothing will change. Free software using "non-free services" will stay in main because they meet the proper requirements (policy 2.2.1). >> Debian is about free software. There is nothing in DFSG about "free >> services". How do you know if a service is implemented with free >> software or not? Amazon S3 could be free software, but only distributed >> internally at Amazon. > > They can be, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. There is no question > that the client is free software. If the server is not packaged in main, that > means this free client software belongs in contrib. Whether that is because > it > is non-free or for some other reason does not matter. That is, unless you are > claiming that their service is not "software". Are you? Yes, I am! They are services. Even the FSF acknowledges they are different. They have created the AGPL for that. -- O, what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive. -- Sir Walter Scott, "Marmion"
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