]] Russ Allbery > There are two primary reasons why we're continuing to discuss this. One > is that the decision went a direction that a lot of people didn't, and > don't, like, and they're still unhappy about it. There's really nothing > that can be done about this; any other decision would have had exactly the > same consequence, just with a different set of people.
We could fix the culture. We can choose to change our culture into one where once we decide on something, that's decided at least until new facts emerge. Instead, we have chosen to have a culture where everything can be discussed again and again, until not only is the horse dead, but its skin is tatters and its bones meal too. Some people in Debian who were unhappy about the decision initially did choose to stop beating on it and instead unite and move forward. I wish we, collectively, agreed more that's what we'd do after such a divisive process. > The other point I want to make here is that the systemd discussion was > one of the most exhausting and time-consuming things that I've ever > been involved in. Ditto, and even just reading those few last mails triggers something not entirely unlike PTSD for me. > This is some of the "being human" part that I was talking about in my > other message. Making people heard can be incredibly time-consuming > and can require a ton of emotional energy, and TC members, like all > project members, are volunteers. Often with very limited quantities > of time they can spend on Debian. The TC members at least have signed up for it, having some idea of what the work entails. Random maintainers who are suddenly thrust into the spotlight are much less so, and it's their emotional well-being I want to protect at the same time as making good technical decisions. It's really, really hard, for many of the reasons listed in this thread. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are
