On Saturday, January 05, 2019 02:34:14 PM Russell Stuart wrote: I have comments only a a couple of the points you raised:
> On Fri, 2019-01-04 at 10:57 +0000, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > > You are misrepresenting this: it has been said outside of this list > > that this does not represent an expulsion procedure but a procedure > > that makes it possible for DDs to make DAM consider an removal of > > privileges, because that's what it is. > > OK, could somebody clear something up for me please? Does Debian have > a procedure / policy or something saying what triggers the DAM moving > down the road towards a Developers expulsion (so it's clear when they > must act), and what procedure they follow when expel someone. I > thought that was it. Apparently not. No. That's not how Debian works. This is a volunteer effort, not a bureaucracy. Delegates are delegated certain authorities and it's up to them to decide how to exercise them. If the larger DD community sufficiently disagrees, they can raise a GR on the matter (but please wait until we hear from them as a team and only if you are really, really certain - overriding a DPL delegate is a major thing). We don't get to look inside DAM and have opinions on how they execute their delegated authority. > I'll put it bluntly: they should not need time. I think you don't have much experience with these kinds of things if you believe that. On the FTP Team (of which I'm a non-delegated Assistant) it can take weeks to get agreement on text to send out on an issue. The email I sent relatively recently to d-d-a regarding the team's view on listing individual copyright holders in debian/copyright was literally months in the making. That was for a non-controversial topic for which there was not much internal disagreement written during a period when it wasn't the topic of I don't know how many messages on Debian mailing lists. Taking care to make sure an email speaks for the team as a whole and is correct is hard and takes time. Scott K
