On 19/02/26 05:38, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
I raised this point earlier in a mailing list and would like to bring it up again:(I wrote this markdown style, and I'm too lazy to convert it to text)# The infamous LLM discussion So, I'm starting this discussion publicly because a heated discussion started privately, and this is no private topic. The discussion started because of the new DFSG team's NEW queue website, which has been (to some extent I don't personally know) developed with the assistance of an agentic coding tool. I'd like to summarize where we all collectively are, where Debian is currently, and the different pros/cons/arguments I read and heard in the past two years. This obviously won't be exhaustive, it's a starting point. This is not an opinionated post, I am in an uncomfortable cognitive dissonance on the matter, so it's rather a snapshot of my brain on the topic. To be frank, I personally don't know where I stand. I think I'm neither for nor against AI-generated code, but I am aware that currently, it's not possible to give a simple and trivial ruling. If some specific questions worth an answer are asked, I'll reply, but otherwise I have the very intent to not post after this mail. The topic, its ethics/sociologic/technologic ramification is exhausting, and I'd rather spend my time doing funny stuff. I might at some point in this text (I'm writing it linearly so I don't know how much time I'll take to write it and what the end will look like) offer an idea of a policy on the matter. But don't expect from me to say if it's a good idea or not. I do ask everybody, DDs, DMs, DCs, bystanders, to refrain from flaming. I know this wish has little chances to be successful, but at least I will have tried.
For a non-profit Linux distribution whose main focus is stability and security and with a release philosophy like "we ship when its ready", I don't think LLMs go hand-in-hand with Debian's vision.
LLMs are sure useful for certain tasks but the problem is that everyone fell for the corporate marketing saying it can replace substantial amount of human effort needed in software development. They're not the jack of all trades that the corporates claim them to be.
Sure, maintaining a distro as huge as Debian takes a lot of time and effort but we as volunteers, agreed to devote some time towards the project to keep the project in a good shape. We aren't working in a 9-5 job forcibly with strict deadlines and targets to offload our work to a LLM.
We're also forgetting about the hallucination problem that's still persistent with LLMs. I used ChatGPT back when it first came out in 2022 and often use Google Gemini in 2026 here and there for some personal tasks and the hallucination problem still persists. These tools are still impractical and flawed for any serious work unless you're fine with low quality slop code.
We're also forgetting about the licensing. Most of the training material that was used to train LLMs was illegally scraped by violating copyright laws. When we generate a code snippet using a LLM, we have no clue what licensed code it used to generate the code.
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