On 2024-06-14 9 h 25 a.m., Emmanuel Arias wrote:
Hi team,
Sorry for the subject, this mail is more like questions than given ideas
:-).
After reading the DPL's contact and its responses, it got me
thinking - and this is also a personal feeling - that the DPT is a
place where I can seek help. This is beneficial because we understand
that if we encounter a Debian packaging issue specific to Python, we
can expect a prompt response from experienced people within the team.
However, it's true that each one maintains their own packages, while
some others fix RC bugs. But IMHO we lack like clear direction to follow
as a team. While ultimately, we just need to ensure that the packages
under the DPT umbrella are up-to-date with upstream and free of RC bugs as
much as possible. I don't know if that 'direction' is needed.
I understand that our team's priority is to address 3.12 bugs [0], as
mentioned in the irc topic. I know that some people are already
working on this, and they don't necessarily need to seek permission
before tackling an RC bug. However, perhaps we could attempt to organize
our efforts better. Maybe we could identify packages that are candidates
for removal like [1] and try to reduce the list of RC bugs. Another
question is: what should we do with packages that are not under the
team's umbrella but are affecting Python 3.12?
On the other hand, we could assess if there are any improvements needed
in our tools, such as pybuild, or determine which packages require, for
instance, autopkgtests, lintian, etc. Or maybe we can start making short
IRC meetings once a week or every two weeks? Experienced members
of the team, do you think this is feasible given the DPT workflow? I
would like to hear the opinion from the team :-)
[0] https://deb.li/3T4QN
[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1025181
I agree with the points you raise. It's true the DPT isn't a very
organised entity (although there's much worse teams in Debian :9).
I think more would be possible if we were more organised. Having regular
meetings would surely help.
On my side though, I sadly don't have time for that. I'm already part of
plenty of Teams in Debian (some of which do have regular meetings, like
the DebConf Videoteam) and I only have so many spoons... If others want
to push this way, I'll root for you!
That said, if I had more time, I would probably prioritise reviewing and
sponsoring more DPT packages, something I haven't done in a while.
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