On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 11:42:24PM +0200, Thomas Walter wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 22:26, Daniel Leidert wrote: > > Am Sonntag, den 14.05.2006, 21:55 +0200 schrieb Thomas Walter: > > > On Sun, 2006-05-14 at 20:52, Daniel Leidert wrote: > > > > [..] > > > > > In general, my understanding of "Science" is in the sense of research > > > > > and not education. > > > > > > > > I do not agree. Education also means science. It doesn't just mean > > > > "teaching". For me, there is no difference between Science and > > > > Education. Where is the difference IYO? > > > > > > > > > > Exactly this is the key: > > > > > > Education: teaching > > > you are teached/trained to be able to do something > > > or to teach others > > > improve individual wisdom/skills. > > > > > > Science: research > > > you apply the above to find something new. > > > improve the global pool of wisdom. > > > > I know that opinion of course. But "education" with the meaning of > > "higher education" isn't that far away from "science". I know, people > > have different opinions here. Just a few questions: > > > > Where do you make the difference between a scientific and an educational > > software product? Let's say: What is a chemical structures editor? What > > is a (software realized) calculator with scientific functions (like > > those who are mostly used in education)? > > > > As far as I understood the basic rules to tag applications, > the answer is not a "one ot the other" decision. > The chemical structureditor can be used for both purposes. > Thus add the application in 2 entries of the tree. > > A "calculator" is a common tool used in nearly all categories. > Such a global tool covers a few percent from lots of categories. > Thus, this a candidate to go into a section like > Science > Common or Global or Misc > or > Science > Math > Calculator > and > Education > Math > Calculator > > > compared with a tool like axiom, which would go in "Science -> Math" > only. > > Due to my opinion, that when doing Science Research you know the basics > where in Teaching/Education you have more applications which tell you > about the basics. > The latter is like: > how to do integration or differentiation, waht are Newton's rules in > gravity > the first is like: > when I apply several of the basic rules to these measurements under > given constraints > then one can proof the existance of a sub-particle for a few nano > seconds in nuclear physics. > > > Just think about, that you _must_ define the answer for at least the > > first question if you make a difference in Debian's menu between > > education and science. I'm really not happy with dividing between them, > > because IMHO there is no clear difference. > > > > I know that may be tricky and you are right. > That's why I try to separate by learning/teaching already known basics > :== Education and applying that find (new) rules or to improve exising > rules :== Science/Research by top-down classification going from most > global/abstract to more specific/specialised. > > For example. lots of math aplications one can use in physics, chemistry, > bio, astronomy, ... too as compuatation is very common. The tricky > point may be to find an abstraction. > An application knowing all the keppler rules where you can focus on high > level astronomical things would be category Astronomy. But you can use > a programmable common language and add lots of functions as addional > modules. Without the modules is would be Math. >
My suggestion, made elsewhere on this thread, to pattern the categories after the departments of several, or many, major universities, really handles this issue: there departments of education in enough major universities to make the cut for inclusion as a category. A quick look at the web sites of these departments will give a good idea of what 'belongs' in the education category. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
