On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 05:19:24PM -0600, David Duffey wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 11:45:28AM -0500, Gord Mc . Pherson wrote:
> >   I'd also concur with a previous comment about 'portsentry', since it's 
> > possible to spoof an address and have portsentry block it.. it there for 
> > becomes an effective tool for a hacker to use as a DoS. For example, I 
> > could find out what your ISP's DNS servers are, spoof those addresses and 
> > have your portsentry block them. This would cut you off from the net until 
> > you manually corrected it.
> 
> Actually that will not happen to me, or anyone else installing the debian 
> portsenty
> package because that is NOT the way that debian ships portsentry by default, 
> and there
> is even a comment about spoofing in the portsentry config file:
> 
> # I NEVER RECOMMEND YOU PUT IN RETALIATORY ACTIONS
> # AGAINST THE HOST SCANNING YOU. TCP/IP is an *unauthenticated protocol*
> # and people can make scans appear out of thin air. The only time it
> # is reasonably safe (and I *never* think it is reasonable) to run
> # reverse probe scripts is when using the "classic" -tcp mode.

I agree with this point too.

> granted this is in the section talking about the KILL_RUN_CMD, but it's pretty
> obvious that this applies to other KILL_.*_CMDs also.
> 
> The only thing I use portsentry for is for information gathering, and that, 
> is the
> most important aspect of a securing a system (knowledge of the system). My 
> "real"
> security is in a less-dynamic way through rp_filter, ipchains, tcp-wrappers 
> and
> chroot'ed environments.
> 
> I only recommened portsentry as an informational tool (as the original poster 
> requested)

And if the license for portsentry is an issue, you could also consider
scandetd, which is a portscan detector released under the GPL.

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