On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 10:08:16PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 05:52:16AM +0100, Cecil Westerhof wrote: > > Geert Stappers <[email protected]> writes: > > > > > Heb van een Cecil ML posting en andere ML posting > > > de headers vergeleken. Echter niets wat wat mij op viel. > > > > > > @Cecil a.u.b. een "Reply-To-All". Achterliggende idee is > > > dat ik zo twee berichten krijg. Ze hebben hetzelfde Message-id > > > het ene bericht is door mailinglist server gegaan en het andere niet. > > > Ik wil kunnen zien wat de verschillende trajecten > > > aan verschil in E-mail headers oplevert. > > > > Bij deze. > > > > De verschillen in de bijlage.
Deze keer wel (als het goed is :-) > In het uitgaande bericht heb ik niets kunnen vinden waar > waar de ontvangende kant over zou kunnen klagen. > (klagen: foutmelding geven) > > Wat andere testen gedaan: > > stappers@alpaca:~ Server met hostname 'alpaca' staat achter een masquerading router. Vandaar dat ie niet in wereldwijd DNS staat. > $ swaks --to [email protected] Swaks zit in het Debian package met dezelfde naam. > === Trying mx00.emig.gmx.net:25... > === Connected to mx00.emig.gmx.net. > <- 220 gmx.net (mxgmx015) Nemesis ESMTP Service ready > -> EHLO alpaca.gpm.stappers.nl > <- 250-gmx.net Hello alpaca.gpm.stappers.nl [82.161.218.215] > <- 250-8BITMIME > <- 250-SIZE 157286400 > <- 250 STARTTLS > -> MAIL FROM:<[email protected]> Alpaca staat in de envelope-from. > <** 550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable > <** 550 invalid DNS MX or A/AAAA resource record Dat zijn _dezelfde foutmeldingen_ die Cecil AT decebal punt NL van outlook.com terugkrijgt. (is waar deze thread over gaat) > -> QUIT > <- 221 gmx.net Service closing transmission channel > === Connection closed with remote host. > stappers@alpaca:~ > $ swaks --to [email protected] --from [email protected] > === Trying mx01.emig.gmx.net:25... > === Connected to mx01.emig.gmx.net. > <- 220 gmx.net (mxgmx113) Nemesis ESMTP Service ready > -> EHLO alpaca.gpm.stappers.nl > <- 250-gmx.net Hello alpaca.gpm.stappers.nl [82.161.218.215] > <- 250-8BITMIME > <- 250-SIZE 157286400 > <- 250 STARTTLS > -> MAIL FROM:<[email protected]> Alpaca is weg uit de envelope from. > <- 250 Requested mail action okay, completed > -> RCPT TO:<[email protected]> > <- 250 OK > -> DATA > <- 354 Start mail input; end with <CRLF>.<CRLF> Laat de e-mail maar komen. > -> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 22:00:48 +0100 > -> To: [email protected] > -> From: [email protected] > -> Subject: test Mon, 29 Oct 2018 22:00:48 +0100 > -> Message-Id: <[email protected]> > -> X-Mailer: swaks v20170101.0 jetmore.org/john/code/swaks/ > -> > -> This is a test mailing > -> > -> . > <- 250 Requested mail action okay, completed: id=0LxLM6-1fWW8Q1TAY-016uTI > -> QUIT > <- 221 gmx.net Service closing transmission channel > === Connection closed with remote host. > stappers@alpaca:~ > $ swaks --to [email protected] > === Trying bendel.debian.org:25... > === Connected to bendel.debian.org. > <- 220 bendel.debian.org ESMTP Postfix > -> EHLO alpaca.gpm.stappers.nl > <- 250-bendel.debian.org > <- 250-PIPELINING > <- 250-SIZE 30720000 > <- 250-STARTTLS > <- 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > <- 250 8BITMIME > -> MAIL FROM:<[email protected]> > <- 250 2.1.0 Ok > -> RCPT TO:<[email protected]> > <** 554 5.1.8 <[email protected]>: Sender address rejected: > Domain not found Dat is een foutmelding die je zou mogen verwachten. > -> QUIT > <- 221 2.0.0 Bye > === Connection closed with remote host. > stappers@alpaca:~ > $ > Wat we nu weten: * gmx.de neemt geen e-mail aan van een niet bestaande hostnaam * gmx.de meldt dan dat er aan _zijn kant_ iets niet bestaat * gmx.de neemt _wel_ e-mail aan van bestaan hostnaam ( gewoon e-mail ) * lists.debian.org neemt geen e-mail aan van een niet bestaande hostnaam * lists.debian.org meldt dat er aan _verstuurde kant_ iets niet goed is * mailinglist lists.debian.org werkt, we zien deze e-mail Wat we niet weten: * Hoe outlook.com in het spel is gekomen * Wat er echt aan de hand is Wat nu te doen? Advies aan Cecil: E-mail eens naar [email protected] Ander ding: $ host mailserver.decebal.nl Host mailserver.decebal.nl not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) $ host -t mx mailserver.decebal.nl Host mailserver.decebal.nl not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) $ Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
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