On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 01:20:19PM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 11:51:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > 4. Finally, if in the context of the release of etch, we need to > > compromise our ideals and accept programmatic works without source, > > we should do so by specifically exempting them from DFSG 2 for the > > purpose of releasing etch by a GR which needs to meet the 3:1 > > requirement instead of attempting to define ourselves into such a > > position, especially when source code is clearly a desirable thing > > to have from our users and our perspective. > > Thanks Don. I like the proposal, however I'm not seconding it. > > My position is: "sourceless firmware sucks, but at the moment we happen > to need it, just like sourceless BIOSes". > > In this view, I see two problems with your GR: > 1. It needs a separate vote to affirm "we happen to need it".
Enrico : ruoso made a first proposal for such a 'we need it' GR, and the kernel team, associated with maybe a part of the RM and d-i team, have another more full fledged proposal about this in preparation. > 2. It would make the exception etch-specific, just like we previously > made a sarge-specific exception, and now we have to vote on the same > issue again. Yep. > I understand that the urgent issue is "are we ok in having sourceless > firmware in etch?", and I think it's a waste of time to vote a GR that > doesn't address that. > > Then, if an exception is to be defined, I'd it to be defined not in > terms of some future release we can't predict, but in term of "until we > can't possibly do without". Unfortunately, my attempt[1] at wording > this latter point didn't get it right, and I can't come out with > anything better. If the etch+1 release schedule is again 18month, this would leave us with approximately two year to solve the issue, which should be plentiful, my guess is that it will take us approximately 6 month to a year, depending on how we do it, and how things go with licence clarification with upstream. But the etch freeze started almost a month ago, and it is now too late for etch. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
