On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 07:50:49AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > List masters, this is evidence that Frans is not going to stop this, and as > > i > > asked yesterday, i now re-iterate the demand for his ban from debian-vote. > > Come on, calm down. That one was neither insulting nor attacking.
Ah, no ? It nothing else it is false, and it is an attack. It claims that i "tendency to take disagreement as a personal insult of his intelligence", which is not the case, i take badly people unwilling to take an argumented position, and then resorting to ad-hominem attacks, and the kind of "i already told you so many times" i have been getting here, while at the same time they never say things clearly, and discard anything i say as the raving of a madman or whatever, not counting the numerous tries to shut me up i get from various irc channels. It mentions my "inability to properly read and really consider arguments from others", just because i don't give up on repetitious bashing and hammering of arguments which are poorly substantivated by arguments, and there is evidence that others in this thread, including Frans himself, are indeed not even reading what i write. He mentions me always wanting to get the last word, while they refuse argumentation and try to shut me up on menace, and resort to such tactics as banning from project or mailing lists, because they happen to have the power to do so, instead of providing valable argumentation, and accepting countering arguments if they happen to be wrong. Then it further claims that i "say" i want to obtain consensus, while at the same time doing all their possible to stop me from being able to reach such consensus, not wanting to discuss possible better wording, and propose comments. How can this discussion go forward and be ended in a reasonable way, if some of the parties who need to be reached consensus with are unwilling to play the game, and resort to insidious ad-hominem attacks ? And this behaviour has been coming from Frans since last fall, and he did so on purpose as he told me on irc, and is nothing but an attempt to totally discredit me, since he and others (like Steve Langasek), are bathed in respectability, so they have the upper hand in these discussions, even though they are on shacky argumentative ground. And no, if they don't like my arguments and position, it is unacceptable to resort to such ad-hominem attacks. They should provide proper argumentation, and not always come repeating those same dubious and shaky ones, and they should take in account counter arguments, as i have modified the initial proposal and position based on feedback (and even on flames here). If nothing else, they should respect the time i spent on this issue, as i respect the time they spend on their respective areas of interest. This is not what is happening, so saying calm down is fine, but i have been under this kind of stuff since over a year now, and i can't take it anymore. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
