----- "Frans Pop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm certainly in favor of Debian going in this direction. Ideals are fine, 
> but castrating the distribution for them is taking things to far. IMO we 
> can still strife and work to have more source made available to the 
> community without alienating users by making it needlessly hard to 
> install Debian or find important pieces of software.

But you have to see that castrating the ideals of the project is just as 
damaging as these distribution problems are. I believe Debian has remained 
important over time because, despite our various social failings, they 
*respect* our ideology. We remain relevant because we assert a standard and 
have managed to mostly provide a useful product while complying with those 
standards. If we bend the rules too much it becomes an open question on why we 
are better or different than any of the many other distributions out there. We 
shouldn't be bullheaded, unrealistic or unyielding but we should be strong and 
true.

If distributing proprietary binaries is inescapable then, again, I'll say that 
we should leave that distribution to others and create some ground rules for 
identifying how those others should "play nice" with us. If we have an army of 
third party value-add distributors who fill in these proprietary gaps then we 
will be well armed to deal with the emerging spectrum of platforms that will be 
coming down the pipe in the coming years. Things that look like phones and 
other appliances will be the wave of the future and those devices will have 
many strange legal obligations. A partner program that enables the vendors of 
these devices to supply the necessary proprietary baggage and still guarantee a 
"Debian Compatible" environment will serve us, them and our users.

-- 
Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315


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