On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 08:54:55AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Sam Hartman <[email protected]> writes: > > > To clarify, my understanding is that the discussion period started > > November 16. > > So, we're talking about a minimum discussion period expiring on > > November 30. > > Your acceptance of my amendment reset the clock, at least by my reading of > the constitution. That happened on the 19th of November, so the two week > discussion period will now expire on the 3rd of December.
I did not actually see him accepting that yet, just an intention to do so. > (This is actually a little bit murky since I didn't call for seconds and > you accepted the amendment directly. Procedurally, it looks like I > probably should have called for seconds to be in less ambiguous territory, > so we may need a secretarial ruling here.) I don't see a reason for seconding something before you can propose changes to it. > > I assumed the secretary would interpret the constitution differently and > > that only the proposer of the original resolution could accept > > amendments. > > I seem to recall Manoj interpreted things that way back in the day. > > So, at the time I wrote that text, I was under the mistaken belief that > > I was the only one who could accept amendments. (I'm glad the secretary > > has interpreted things differently.) > > I believe this is a correct reading of the constitution. A.2.4 is > explicit that the minimum discussion period is from the last accepted > amendment, and A.1.3 is clear that amendments that have sufficient seconds > but are not agreed to by the proposer are not considered accepted > amendments. > > (I also think this is a bug in the constitution; it means that a rejected > but seconded amendment can go on the ballot immediately before the vote > with no time for further discussion of that amendment, which seems > obviously poor. But that being said, fixing the constitution, if > appropriate, is a separate discussion.) That whole part could really use some fixing. The more you read it, the more you think it says something else. Kurt
