On 2016-10-09 22:37, Axel Beckert wrote: > Hi Jeroen, > > Jeroen Massar wrote: >> On 2016-10-09 18:56, Axel Beckert wrote: >>> I'm yet another DD who's interested in having that package maintained >>> properly in Debian (and who NMUed it once in the past for that >>> reason). But I don't want to maintain that package alone. >> >> Please check the dates on the ticket. >> >> Then please read https://www.sixxs.net/news/ > > I'm very well aware of both.
Are you sure? As the text provided there is quite clear about the situation. But maybe we need to re-iterate it again. >> Then finally Call Your ISP for Native IPv6. > > I already did. The answer so far was "We don't need that yet." :-( > They seem to think that owning enough IPv4 address suffices and maybe > also that there's no customer demand (yet). As your ISP apparently is UPC Cablecom, which is part of the European Cable Monopoly that is Liberty Global you should be aware that they are providing DS-Lite to all their new customers, and have been silently switching every cheap account to it to all around Europe. That their helpdesk does not know what they actually provide, just shows that you asked the wrong people. Indeed, they are correct they have enough IPv4, this as they have been telling RIPE for years that every customer needed 6 IPv4 IPs and have silently been taking them away by changing contract language and what is actually provided. Lots of people with Playstations are having a lot of fun because of that. > And in general: Just one person asking doesn't make them provide IPv6 > instantly. It needs enough people to nag them to realise the demand. How often did you really call? How often did you ask your friends, family, relatives, anybody you know to call? > Another issue is choice: At some locations, especially those with > fiber, you don't have a choice wrt. to ISPs, otherwise changing the > ISP towards one with native IPv6 connectivity is also an option. Sounds you have a monopoly problem. Read the news articles mentioned above, they mention what you could have been doing about that in the last 20 years. >> It is 2016. SixXS won't be around for much longer to provide free >> connectivity > > Yes, but until SixXS closes down, we want and need aiccu maintained > properly in Debian. AICCU has not been 'maintained properly' for well over a decade. And 'closing down' will be sooner than you will want or expect. PoPs are going to be dropping like flies soon. We do not have time for it anymore, and the ISPs providing them in many cases for over a decade have deployed native IPv6 for their customers and thus there is no need for them to provide them. >> Hence, better to stop wasting your time: Go Get Native IPv6. > > I disagree that bringing the package back in shape is a waste of time, > especially if getting native IPv6 is not yet possible everywhere at > the moment. I heavily suggest you spend your time more wisely. The package we build over a decade ago functioned quite fine. The changes made by various Debian "Developers" who never asked the upstream about anything did not do much good to that though. That we where cut off from Debian from maintaining it, is something we have not been able to solve due to lack of will from people who hold the ability to do so. We thus have no interest in further bothering with it either. Call Your ISP and get Native IPv6. And spend your time on something more worthy than this IPv6 thing, something we should have been doing: nobody will ever thank you for it. Greets, Jeroen
