Hi there! As all of you should perceive, I usually am at the irc channel, which I much prefer, but I decided to post some points in this thread about some comments. Let's start from the first message.
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:58:04 -0400 "Hanna M. Wallach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Furthermore, Debian Women is not an > affirmative action project; I (and many others) believe that making > things easier for women, in the sense of lowering standards is > entirely unconstructive and detrimental. I may be completly wrong about my concepts and views about d-w, but doing things like creating new manuals, encouraging women to enter the project by showing some models (women already doing some contribution), organizing talks about d-w and gender questions on debian, creating menthoring process with focus on women IS an afirmative action and makes Debian Women an afirmative action project. Simply by putting women in the name of the project already make it an afirmative action. To not give that impression, we should change the name and also the target of the project. One thing that I would completly disagree. The difference between a project like debian women is the fact of having a clear target. We don't want to be the Disney World inside Debian Project, we want to get women to contribute to Debian. Starting being users firstly or making the users becoming developers. If we were only a user group willing to create a "Barbie World" without put women face to face with the reality in the project, I think d-w would be a big bullshit. But now, saying that d-w is not a feminist project nor an afirmative action project is like ignoring the main reason for creating d-w. Sometimes creating groups and actions dealing unequally with women is the best way to get equality in the long term. It IS an afirmative action. And it IS the reason of creating this group, IMHO. I was thinking about answer the Juttaw's e-mail separately, but i think I can point some of the things she did point here: 1) I agree about having clear targets, actions and also knowing how to deal with situations in which there's a sexist behavior coming from a men to ANY women (member or not of d-w), and also sexist documents, softwares, etc, that could be propose to be added on Debian. 2) I don't think choosing our own tools to maintain our website is a problem. As we are who will maintain the system, nothing more natural than choosing tools that people around here uses preferred tools. 3) I feel very unconfortable about the view some developers has about d-w: the group of few ones, who would complain with then whether they says something sexist against any women of the group. I read twice in the d-d channel "don't tell that to erinn (or helen, or whoever)", refering to some sexist subject brought in the channel, when I started to complain about. I think we should give more talks about that and produce articles about what the d-w is with focus on dds. Maybe we can use our blogs on planet debian. 4) Maybe we could start to work in a document on the "self conception of d-w", with the opinion of everybody who wants to give suggestions and share a view about the project, then we'd start to have a kind of identity. It would be important for then, people like JuttaW decide whether she want or not to keep involved in the project or not, and not feel out of the place. And I'm sure that we don't need any formal leaders. They will appear from the daily work to our project. []'s Fernanda -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
