Hi Scott:

1. >> For the Badtrans.B that just came out, the ones we have seen all have
a "_"  before the From: address <<

Yes - I have seen those two - but I've also see the following style header
at least TWICE.  As you can see - the FROM header appears to have a valid
email address, but the envelope FROM was identical to the "To" user.

Received: from aol.com [172.183.212.19] by mail.webhost.hm-software.com
  (SMTPD32-7.04) id A490B5A02D0; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:33:04 -0500
From: "Linda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/related;
         type="multipart/alternative";
         boundary="====_ABC1234567890DEF_===="
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Unsent: 1
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

--====_ABC1234567890DEF_====
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         boundary="====_ABC0987654321DEF_===="

--====_ABC0987654321DEF_====
Content-Type: text/html;
         charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<iframe src=3Dcid:EA4DMGBP9p height=3D0 width=3D0>
</iframe></BODY></HTML>
--====_ABC0987654321DEF_====--

--====_ABC1234567890DEF_====
Content-Type: audio/x-wav;
         name="SETUP.DOC.scr"

... virus follows


2. >> The %ALLRECIPS% option should show the recipients from the SMTP
envelope (the actual addresses that were used to send the mail to).  If
using the new "SWITCHRECIPS" option, this behavior could vary. <<
>> >b) ALLRECIPS should only show the ORIGINAL recipient <<
>>It should be working like that. <<

Yes, I HAD to use this option to avoid incorrect notifications in the
JUNKMAIL feature.
I definitely have see a sender notification forwarded to me which showed
BOTH the original and the intended email address.  I did check the headers
and the SMTP conversation - and I did not see TWO "TO" addresses being
submitted.

So I don't believe it's working like that, at least if SWITCHRECEIPTS is
turned on for the JUNKMAIL option.


3. >> Declude doesn't ever look at the "From:" header in the E-mail. <<

Well - at least Declude Junkmail does, otherwise it could't have all those
BADHEADER and SPAMHEADER and SPAMROUTING tests.


Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

H&M Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue
Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:    +1 201 934-9206

http://www.hm-software.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 01:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] 1.28 - Sender Notification



>The BADTRANS virus uses different "FROM:" data in the message envelope
(from
>the SMTP conversation) vs. what's in the SMTP "From:" headers.  I've had
>several people who seemingly got mail from themselves (e.g., the FROM in
the
>envelope was my customer, so was the TO.)   However, in EACH case, the SMTP
>"From:" header contained a different person's email address.

For the Badtrans.B that just came out, the ones we have seen all have a "_"
before the From: address (IE "From: <_username..." rather than "From:
<username...").  So the envelope MAIL FROM (the one Declude uses) will be
correct, the one from the E-mail headers will not.

>Furthermore, it was confusing, because the %ALLRECIPS% seems to show BOTH
>the original recipient AND the ultimate recipient - something that my
>clients do NOT wish to publish.

The %ALLRECIPS% option should show the recipients from the SMTP envelope
(the actual addresses that were used to send the mail to).  If using the
new "SWITCHRECIPS" option, this behavior could vary.

>Thus - I have the following suggestions:
>
>a) if SENDER and RECIPIENT are one and the same - don't send TWO
>notifications.  Suppress the SENDER notification.

That's something we will look into.

>b) ALLRECIPS should only show the ORIGINAL recipient

It should be working like that.

>c) There should be a way to show the ENVELOPE "from" and the HEADER
"from" -
>and there should be a way to notify EITHER - IF they are different!

Declude doesn't ever look at the "From:" header in the E-mail.  The
envelope MAIL FROM is that address that "bounce" messages should be going
to.  The "From:" in the E-mail headers is less likely to be correct.  But,
this is something we will also look into.
                                        -Scott

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