I should have been more clear, I use gateways in from of Imail peer groups
neither can use the nobody alias becuase they do not know where the mail is
going to be delivered. Currently I have two gateways in front of a 7 server
peering group

Rick Davidson
National Systems Manager
North American Title Company
440-953-9346 - Office
440-953-0925 - Fax
440-487-7344 - Mobile
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From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Accepting SPAM pads spammer's success stats


> Remove the "nobody" alias and IMail will reject all invalid addresses
> during the SMTP envelope.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> Rick Davidson wrote:
>
> >As a long time anti-spam combatant and Declude user I am seeing something
I
> >am interpreting as another way spammers are exploiting us. The problem
with
> >this scenario is that it is a catch22 because we cant bounce spam back to
> >the senders. I used to own an ISP but sold it a few months ago due to the
> >stiff competition and had been using Imail and Declude as spam and anti
> >virus gateways, which I am now doing for the large company I work for
now. I
> >see guys asking about server specs and high spam loads so this prompted
me
> >to share what I have seen and am now seeing in my new workplace.
> >
> >It seems that the more successful we are at stopping spam the more then
send
> >to us, not just to valid addresses and dictionary type deliveries but
large
> >volumes of spam that have no chance of being sent to a valid user for
> >example [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and so on on
and
> >on and on and on. I have seen this in the millions of messages and I
believe
> >its because we accept the mail and delete it because its obvious spam.
The
> >spammers then can say to their customers that they delivered some huge
> >amount of their advertisements when in fact they just sent invalid
recipient
> >email to our mail vaporizers because they know we will accept it.
> >
> >The company that bought my ISP is Unix based and was able to write a
program
> >that looked at a list of valid email addresses and only accepted the
> >connection if it found a valid recipient. And then after x amount of
invalid
> >user attempts they blacklisted the IPs. We found over 30,000 spam zombies
> >were responsible for the invalid user email flood, I felt better knowing
I
> >didn't stand a chance of manually adding IPs to the Imail access control
> >lists but still made me very angry.
> >
> >So is there a way to deal with this? How can we check for valid users
before
> >we accept the SMTP connection itself when using a gateway or peering
> >configuration? Would it be possible to use the DNS blacklist concept but
> >have our users on there so it becomes a DNS whitelist?
> >
> >Bottom line is that ALOT of our spam and virus processing overhead and
could
> >be stopped at the SMTP connection level. Short of hiring hit men to thin
the
> >Rokso list what can we do?
> >
> >Scott,
> >Could you at least write a run first test to check a text file for valid
> >users and if it doesn't find one fail the message and stop all further
> >testing? If we can do this now can you provide and explanation of how?
> >
> >Comments? Ideas?
> >
> >Thanks for listening,
> >Rick Davidson
> >National Systems Manager
> >North American Title Company
> >
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