Since these all look like they have null originating addresses, to me they look a lot 
more like virus bounce messages.

In order for it to be a reflective attack, the system being DDOS'd would have to be 
listed as the originating address.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of IS - Systems Eng.
> (Karl Drugge)
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:29 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] Attack?
> 
> 
> Oh wow. I've seen this before.
> 
> I can't remember the name, something like an 'inadvertent reflective
> DDOS attack'.
> 
> Here's whats happening. A spammer is sending you emails to known bad
> addresses at your domain, with the real intended address forged as the
> return address. Your machine will faithfully 'return' the 'poorly'
> addressed email to the 'sender', in effect reflecting the spam off of
> you..
> 
> The last time I saw this, I couldn't block the offending IP's 
> ( over 2k
> of them ), and filtering was such a huge load on the machine 
> ( over 500k
> a month, and climbing ), the only option left was changing 
> domain names
> or co-locating a beefier Declude box upstream... Changing domain names
> was cheaper.
> 
> 
> Karl Drugge
>  
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stan Buck
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:50 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Declude.Virus] Attack?
> 
> 
> For three days now we've been getting these emails addressed to random
> strings every few minutes.  IPs keep changing.  Sometimes one mail per
> IP, sometimes several.  What is this?  Zombie computers?  Forged IPs?
> And how many hits are you going to get with random strings?
> 
> 09:21 00:00 SMTPD(54FA0120) [10.0.0.109] connect 216.167.161.91 port
> 34112 09:21 00:00 SMTPD(54FA0120) [216.167.161.91] EHLO
> pop3.nts-online.net 09:21 00:00 SMTPD(54FA0120) [216.167.161.91] MAIL
> FROM:<> 09:21 00:00 SMTPD(54FA0120) [216.167.161.91] RCPT
> TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 09:21 00:00 SMTPD(54FA0120) [216.167.161.91] ERR 
> mdchildcare.org invalid
> user <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09:21 00:01 SMTPD(56180120)
> [10.0.0.109] connect 131.103.218.79 port 20368 09:21 00:01
> SMTPD(56180120) [131.103.218.79] HELO mail15a.boca15-verio.com 09:21
> 00:01 SMTPD(56180120) [131.103.218.79] MAIL FROM:<> 09:21 00:01
> SMTPD(56180120) [131.103.218.79] RCPT 
> TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09:21
> 00:01 SMTPD(56180120) [131.103.218.79] ERR mdchildcare.org 
> invalid user
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09:21 00:14 SMTPD(6B9E0124) [10.0.0.109]
> connect 64.29.144.72 port 49234 09:21 00:14 SMTPD(6B9E0124)
> [64.29.144.72] EHLO mx305.megamailservers.com 09:21 00:14
> SMTPD(6B9E0124) [64.29.144.72] MAIL From:<> 09:21 00:14 
> SMTPD(6B9E0124)
> [64.29.144.72] RCPT To:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09:21 00:14
> SMTPD(6B9E0124) [64.29.144.72] ERR mdchildcare.org invalid user
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09:21 00:14 SMTPD(6BB80124) 
> [10.0.0.109] connect
> 206.190.36.133 port 20018 09:21 00:14 SMTPD(6BB80124) [206.190.36.133]
> HELO mta137.mail.re2.yahoo.com 09:21 00:14 SMTPD(6BB80124)
> [206.190.36.133] MAIL FROM:<> 09:21 00:14 SMTPD(6BB80124)
> [206.190.36.133] RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09:21 00:14
> SMTPD(6BB80124) [206.190.36.133] ERR mdchildcare.org invalid user
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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