Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future?

[Bennie]

My main problem here is... I don't subscribe to the Imail Message Group.  I had no idea this was coming.  We just upgraded our Imail SA last month.  I can't remember what the original cost of the IMail Server with Unlimited was, but I don't believe it was 8,999.00.  For a small ISP that is a big chunk of change.  And I don't believe many ISP's or Mail Providers would have 250 or less customers.  I will be keeping watch here to see what Scott and the guys at Declude decided.  Here's for hoping they come up with an option that is affordable to the "small and medium-sized business"   Bennie   Looks like the sky is still blue, but it just got very cloudy.   ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Scott, what is our future? Sandy, I'm not going to debate whether or not the 'sky is blue' with you, but please don't paint by inference that I'm jumping the gun by contemplating a very likely change of platforms within the next year. Scott and the management at Declude might want to continue their silence regarding target platforms, but they need to make it known before I make a conscious choice in order to have a better chance of keeping my business, and I would think that it would be in their best interest to let others know as well because it is clear in the IMail list that people are making choices rather quickly.  Sure, IMail 8 and Declude as a pair will limp along for some time, but they are dead-end products at the moment.  Even if Ipswitch changes their tune, I no longer trust them and I won't be making myself a victim to a potential screwing at some point down the line.  My mail server will no doubt be changing, and I need to choose a new gateway and mail server to replace them. The good news is that I just saved myself the money that I was going to send to Ipswitch for a new service agreement :)  This is the most ungraceful upgrade path that a piece of software has ever seen when you consider all the choices, and I've seen some rather hefty changes such as the WebTrends path to becoming an expensive niche analytics company.  Ipswitch will probably manage the transition fairly well, keeping say 1 out of 10 subscribers, but it will doom their product to take themselves out of the mainstream in this way considering that their pricing now makes them appear not much different than Exchange, and doing so in a time when capable products are coming up that are cheaper or even free.  I have a memory for people and companies that try to screw me, and this upgrade path is a screw if I've ever seen one, and they will never get another dime from me unless the management is forced out that made these choices.  Consider that to be a personal observation and preference, so the sky is definitely blue. Matt Matt Sanford Whiteman wrote: So what do you do when the next IMail exploit pops up such as that LDAP exploit and you have no way to fix the bug? Can a serious business even take the risk of this happening? There's no evidence to suggest that security-related patches will not be made available for old versions, as evidenced repeatedly in the pattern of moves from 5-6, 6-7, and 7-8. The particular exploit you mentioned is in a component of IMail that is now open-source, and so by definition can always be patched. Furthermore, using IMail simply as a wrapper for Declude gives you only one possible attack vector (SMTPD) in a module which essentially hasn't changed in several years (SMTPD retains its old, non-multithreaded code, despite QUEUEMGR's improvements on the delivery side). Such patterns may change, but telling our IMail clients that we're choosing them a new product _now_ would be an admittance of a sheer lack of control. I'd prefer that the development of, for example, a new Declude MTA or preferred MTA integration not be paced by user panic. --Sandy ------------------------------------ Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.Virus". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- ===================================================== MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =====================================================