T,
> Much more importantly is the changes you need to make inside your own head
> when moving from Local Database to CS and this is what you should be
> focussing on rather than comparing N details of DBX versus DBY.
>
> Like Nic, and many others, I find IB to be a nice simple to use, well
> featured, robust, reliable slim, efficient, multi platform, free
> from vices
> and gotchas, CS DBMS.
All of your stuff is noted and appreciated. I am not a newbie to C/S
programming nor Delphi. Having come from a MS-SQL background I am looking to
see what else is out there (viz a vie Interbase) and what it can and can not
offer. In trying to establish Cost Of Ownership, Time To Market, Learning
Curve, Current Skill Resources etc. etc. etc. it is important to explore
issues such as GUI admin tools and the like. (Besides I could be a dork (OK
I Am) and am missing something) Obviously there is more than one option /
solution to every problem. Asking probing questions about what a tool does
and does not do should not always deteriorate to M$ is cr*p and this tool is
better [but does not offer all that is available in M$, is not polished etc
etc. but accept it anyway].
> Anyway, why do we keep on getting sucked into this rant Nic?
Suckers..... *grin* *Ducks under desk to avoid mice being thrown at screens*
Just seen Neven's post and I guess that puts it all in context. Relax, calm
down and look out the window for a while ;-). Besides, computers are our
friends..... *laughs* Oh well back to work.....
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Tony Blomfield
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 January 2000 13:44
> To: Multiple recipients of list delphi
> Subject: Re: [DUG]: That famed Interbase Admin GUI...... (Att: Nic)
>
>
> IMO there is no question that IB Server Manager is inadequate. It does the
> bare minimum of admin, and is not at all usefull as a developers
> right hand
> tool for developing and tuning SQL. nor is it in any way usefull for
> designing and maintaining a database model.
>
> However, there are numerous excellent shareware products you can use as
> devlopment tools to use with IB - Marathon and TV being 2 good
> examples for
> starters. Without these, it is hard work developing a CS solution.
>
> I am sure there are similar good tools to help you with SQL7 development.
>
> By the same token I found the tools that come with SQL Server 7
> partricuarly
> ugly, (I just hate the MDI interface for the ISQL thing they
> have) dated in
> style, Bloated, gimicky, but useless.
>
> The exception is the Optimiser Plan display which I found very nice.
>
> SQL7 tools are an example of non standard, ugly, bloated gimicky
> but totally
> useless UI. On the surface they look great, but after you have
> used them for
> a month.....
>
> Add to that the lack of triggers, fairly useless SP language, complete
> absence of read consistency without writers blocking readers,
> heavy reliance
> on tuning and general Admin, lack of generators...I could go on for ever,
> but why not just take our advice and run with Interbase otherwise start
> talking to the SQL 7 people who I am sure will give you every reason under
> the Sun to use their product.
>
> Much more importantly is the changes you need to make inside your own head
> when moving from Local Database to CS and this is what you should be
> focussing on rather than comparing N details of DBX versus DBY.
>
> Like Nic, and many others, I find IB to be a nice simple to use, well
> featured, robust, reliable slim, efficient, multi platform, free
> from vices
> and gotchas, CS DBMS.
>
> I have introduced many developers to it, and without exception
> every one of
> them will second my opinion.
>
> Anyway, why do we keep on getting sucked into this rant Nic?
>
> .-----Original Message-----
> From: Nic Wise <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Multiple recipients of list delphi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wednesday, 19 January 2000 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [DUG]: That famed Interbase Admin GUI...... (Att: Nic)
>
>
>
> > Yeah..... REAL great GUI we have here. Please tell me that I am missing
> > something here. I have Interbase 5.5.0.742 and the
> ServerManager is paltry
> > in terms of GUI config options.
>
> this is mostly 'cos there ARE NO OPTIONS IN INTERBASE! There is nothing
> to tune, nothing to mess with etc. You install it. You start it (if its
> not already). You leave it the hell alone. Unlike MSSQL and Oracle where
> you need a DBA to tweek it every 5 mins.
>
> Sorry if I sound a little agitated, but EVERY time someone looks at IB
> from a MSSQL background, they get hung up on this! MSSQL has a pretty
> interface over an old and shockingly bad database engine. IB has almost
> no gui over a very good one. Think about which bit you want.
>
> Look at something else which is similar. Linux vrs NT.
>
> NT: pretty face. Runs for about a week. Users love it 'cos of the gui.
> Linux: charactor mode (Xwindows doesn't count IMO). Runs for ever,
> pretty much (months and years, not weeks and days). Users dont like it
> 'cos they have to type, not click on pretty pictures.
>
> Which would you rather have running your business?
>
> See my point?
>
> > Compare this to SQL 7 where you can see all
> > the objects in the database (Tables, Views, Stored Procedures etc. etc.)
> and
> > you can set all the security permissions etc. via the GUI. Unless I am
> > missing a tool here the Admin GUI is non-existent.....
>
> yup, it is lacking in that area - 6.0 goes some of the way to fixing
> that, tho not as far as you want. Seen the SQL Explorer? Looked at some
> of the 3rd party stuff (InterbaseDesktop etc)? I used them for a while,
> then didn't bother, 'cos I never really needed them - mostly 'cos I
> never needed to change anything beyond what I did when I set the
> database up.
>
> N
> --
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