Hi Kyley (and others), Thanks for your information about DB connectivity. I also used ODAC before and the VCLs are really good, fast and stable. I have a Oracle project three years ago and customer is still using it without any problem.
And you are right, if I need to do .net, it is better off with C#. Actually I am working on a Windows Mobile project using C#. Things are similar on MS Visual Studio but when I really do the coding, there are huge differences in every aspect as compared with Delphi IDE. What I am worry about is the life of Prism (remember Delphi for .net?). I have a look at the exchange rate. Local reseller seems to use an exchange rate of US$1 = NZ$1.667. The current exchange rate is about NZ$1.408. I really like to support local resellers but paying around 18% more is a bit unfavourable. I know exchange rate is floating and it is normal to have a buffer for physical stocks. However, we are getting electronic copies these days. It would be nicer if the local price can reflect the exchange rates as recent as possible. At the end, Delphi pricing, IMHO, is reasonable. I just like to have a fair rate. Cheers Rodney ..... :) -----Original Message----- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz]on Behalf Of delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz Sent: Monday, 21 September 2009 2:17 p.m. To: delphi@delphi.org.nz Subject: Delphi Digest, Vol 71, Issue 69 Send Delphi mailing list submissions to delphi@delphi.org.nz To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserver.123.net.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz You can reach the person managing the list at delphi-ow...@delphi.org.nz When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Delphi digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero (Kyley Harris) 2. FW: A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero (David Brennan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:07:03 +1200 From: Kyley Harris <ky...@harrissoftware.com> Subject: Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List <delphi@delphi.org.nz> Message-ID: <6f7834060909201907r543894d8ub7d633f0ea3e1...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I dont think the Professional version of the delphi application is an unreasonable price.. I think that if you cannot be earning enough from using the tool.. then its the wrong language and tool anyway.. Lets imagine that Delphi was licensed in a rental type scenario.. say $100NZD per month GST inc.. For most people thats $88 a month.. Now.. if you are earning say $1000-$4000 gross per month as a delphi developer, which you cannot earn without the delphi tools.. is $88 or even $100 a month worth it? I would say that if you are even earning only a part time income of $400 per month.. $100 a month is not going to kill you if you know that you wont get the other $300 without it. I personally (while not advocating it) would have no problem with paying $3.30 a day for delphi and getting all fixes and updates built in.. It would simply mean one less coffee a day purchased.. While I can disagree heavilty with some things Richard Says. :) I dont think we are being ripped off on the delphi pricing.. On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Paul A Norman <paul.a.nor...@gmail.com>wrote: > I think that there are two very different perceptions of life and values > coming out here. > > One I believe whcih is quite dark. > > And the other where people do aim at better things and ways of doing > things. > > The choice is important. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: > unsubscribe > -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserver.123.net.nz/pipermail/delphi/attachments/20090921/9f18f557/ attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:17:19 +1200 From: David Brennan <dugda...@dbsolutions.co.nz> Subject: [DUG] FW: A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero To: DUG <delphi@delphi.org.nz> Message-ID: <00cc01ca3a61$a58e3700$f0aaa5...@co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Interesting post Malcolm. I have one question for Richard and you... what is the best way to make sure we find out about all discounted upgrade or purchase offers? I get some but I?ve also had a few times in the past (probably not recently so maybe it is fixed) where offers have come and gone before I found out about them. Cheers, David. From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Malcolm Groves Sent: Monday, 21 September 2009 1:26 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] A change in upgrade policy coming from Embarcadero Hi all, I?ve just read through quite a few of the messages in this thread (not all, I admit) and there are a few things in here I should respond to. > Actually, afaict Embarcadero have been absolutely silent on the > matter. The policy change has leaked out only via *some* resellers. Nothing has leaked. Official announcements are coming, but I notified our Asia sales staff and asked them to notify our partners and customers last week so we could give people as much notice as possible (also for another reason, see the end of this email). I posted advance notice to the ADUG list here in Aus, and would have posted on this list except Richard asked if he could post it. As our local representative in NZ, it made sense to me that he do it. Nothing underhand going on. Also, the reason I haven?t responded sooner is that I only check the lists every week or so, unless someone alerts me to something that needs more urgent attention. ? I still feel cheated that at no time were those of us who bought Delphi 2005 which still has many unpatched major problems ? given the opening to more reasonibly ($) upgrade from it. I?m sorry you feel like this, but this is not accurate. Multiple times a year we offer discounts/bundles/third-party value-adds, etc to upgraders. I?ve got a partial list here and it shows that since 2006 was released we?ve done at least 6 such offerings in NZ, and I haven?t bothered going through the rest of my email archive to see if there were more. Now, the offers we made may not have been enough to make you accept, that?s a separate issue, but saying we?ve made no offers to previous users is plainly wrong. In terms of updates, we haven?t really changed our policy for a long time. Leaving aside people who pay for higher levels of support, we typically release update packs during the first 6-12 months of the product?s life (eg, 3 update packs for 2005, 2 update packs for 2006 + 11 hotfix packs, etc) but once a later version has come out, these typically slow down or stop entirely. That may not be what everybody wants, I appreciate that, but despite multiple attempts over the years it?s proven difficult if not impossible to get update packs for older releases on the schedule. So, despite wishing it were different, I doubt we?re going to be able to change that. I?ve probably missed some questions, feel free to tell me if I have, but let me finish on a slightly more positive note. In addition to giving people as much notice as possible, part of the point of letting people know about this change in advance is so that I could gauge the reaction. Today we treat someone who last invested in a Delphi license 14 years ago with Delphi 1, exactly the same as someone who invested 1 year ago with 2009. I firmly believe we should give people who spent money with us recently some benefit, especially those who spent money with us during the years when you couldn?t have blamed them for keeping their wallet in their pocket. So, while I support the spirit of this change, the detail of where we draw the cutoff line is still a topic I think we can adjust. In talking with customers and staff and watching the discussions on various groups around the region and I think I?ve seen enough to go back to our internal discussion and suggest we need to change our current proposal. So, your feedback is being heard, despite what you might believe from some of the comments. Lastly, can I just make a request for a fair go for the current Embarcadero team? We are well aware that we cannot ignore the ?legacy? of decisions made by Borland Executives over the years, and we are trying extremely hard to walk the line of investing to take the product back above the historic levels of quality and innovation you came to expect, and at the same time keeping it a profitable business for our owners. I think the local team are very open to accommodating requests from customers when they are brought to us (I think I?ve approved most of the requests for special consideration I?ve seen in recent memory) and hopefully some of you have experienced that. I understand that some of you feel like you may have beaten your heads against a brickwall at Borland for too long, but can I just ask that if you have an issue, you bring it to us and see if we can work out a solution. If we can?t keep you happy, of course you should criticise us, but given everything that seems to have changed for the better over the last 12-15 months, I?d appreciate it if you could give us a chance to fix the issues before shooting us. My contact details are at the bottom of the email, you should absolutely feel free to use them. I?ll try and take a more regular look at this thread for the next few days. Cheers Malcolm Malcolm Groves Senior Director, Asia Pacific Embarcadero Technologies, Inc. | <http://www.embarcadero.com/> www.embarcadero.com Level 2, 100 Clarence Street, Sydney, NSW 2000 <mailto:mgro...@codegear.com> mgro...@embarcadero.com Mobile: +61 416 264 204 | Skype: malcolmgroves USA: (510) 962 5736 | UK: 020 3289 1788 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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