On 16/01/12 02:17, Matt Benson wrote:
(sent once to Marius accidentally dropping the list)
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Marius Bogoevici
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 2012-01-15, at 1:02 PM, Antoine Sabot-Durand wrote:
Hi Matt,
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Antoine Sabot-Durand
<[email protected]> wrote:
what about individuals like me ? Or about IP of code coming from other project
? In Seam social, I get lots of services API binding from Spring Social (an
ASL2 license project). I there any issue about that ?
All code must be expressly licensed by its rightful owner to be
included in the ASF repo. For code you write yourself, you simply
license it under your filed ICLA. Anything else needs a software
grant OR a CLA of some sort and the intent that the contribution be
covered under that CLA.
The second sentence above is why a simple handshake agreement from Red
Hat is enough for me--their corporate CLA is already on file. I lost
sight of that fact momentarily when I sent my last message on this
thread.
But back to the idea of code that comes, e.g., from SpringSource, yes,
we must obtain express license to the code itself, particularly when
it would take the form of an entire class. Depending on a
compatibly-licensed third-party binary is of course no problem
whatever.
Sorry, but I'm really puzzled about this IP issue. My understanding is that
ASL2 is useless.
Springsource put their code under ASL2, I used some of their code in respect of
the license (keeping names of original authors) but I still need to ask an
authorization. So the original license has no value. Unless Apache needs that
Springsource ASL2 licensing has to be violated by removing names of original
authors, in this case I understand the need of authorization but I'm still
puzzled that Apache don't recognize ASL2 value or needs to bypass it to use
code under its own license.
Could you get me out this kafka-ish point of view :-) ?
Yeah, I could benefit from some clarification here as well. Reading Matt's
response I understand that this is not an ASL2 issue, but rather an ASF policy
issue (ASL2 would require listing Spring social original authors, but that
cannot be done without their express permission). Or?
That is my understanding, yes; ASF projects don't use code from
anyplace unless its author expressly wants the code used in the form
in which we wish to use it. It's easy enough to see that the mere
fact that a simple piece of code is under ASL2 could be construed as
"enough," but again that's not my understanding of the "Apache
spirit," if you will. I will spend some more research on this
tomorrow in case I (or anyone else) can demonstrate through ASF
precedent that I'm being overly paranoid.
Thanks all,
Matt
um, and what about the CLA article 7?
7. Should You wish to submit work that is not Your original creation,
You may submit it to the Foundation separately from any
Contribution, identifying the complete details of its source and of
any license or other restriction (including, but not limited to,
related patents, trademarks, and license agreements) of which you
are personally aware, and conspicuously marking the work as
"Submitted on behalf of a third-party: [named here]".
Thanks all for the constructive discussion,
Matt
regards,
Antoine SABOT-DURAND
Le 15 janv. 2012 à 16:59, Mark Struberg a écrit :
Hi!
Thanks Matt for bringing this up! This is definitely something we must do
before thinking about a -incubating-0.1 release.
Btw, I'll now rename the version to reflect the incubation status .
Mark Little from JBoss was the manager at RedHat/JBoss who was involved in
preparing the incubator proposal. But Shane and Jason for sure know whom to
ping.
LieGrue,
strub
----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Bryzak<[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: IP discussion
We'd need to follow this up with Red Hat legal, to confirm what we need to
do.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Jason Porter
<[email protected]>wrote:
Would someone like myself or Shane work or do we need someone higher up in
the organization or a lawyer to sign off on it?
