whoopy, why do I always forget sending my own +1 :) LieGrue, strub
----- Original Message ----- > From: John D. Ament <[email protected]> > To: Mark Struberg <[email protected]>; deltaspike > <[email protected]> > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:33 AM > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an Apache Top > Level Project > > BTW, we still don't have a +1 from any of the mentors. :-) > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:31 AM, John D. Ament > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> For the name, I think we still need to do a PNS. I'll go ahead and > enter >> it. I don't think this process existed when we entered incubation. >> >> John >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >>> To come back to your fair points: >>> >>> I've now updated the incubation status page [1] and reflected a few > of >>> your points: >>> >>> * DS naming: I've used trademarkia and a few others, and DeltaSpike > is >>> still free of usage and not yet trademarked. Did this a year ago as > well. >>> So the name is ok. It might not be the best, but in the last year > nobody >>> came up with a better one. We can still rename if we some day find a > better >>> name. >>> >>> * committers >>> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we > shrank?) >>> This is quite natural. There were quite a few people who have been very >>> vocal about contributing but ended up not even registering to the > mailing >>> list. I'm not blaming anyone because I know how hard it is to get a > few >>> hours per week spare time. In ASF projects it's all about merit - > and >>> obviously those people who didn't yet contribute nor even show up > cannot >>> make it to the initial contributors list. We are of course happy about >>> future contributions from each and everyone! >>> Otoh we also have people who just came on board later and added >>> substantial contributions! >>> >>> The real question is the number of people who are active on a more or >>> less regular basis, and we are doing quite fine in this regard. >>> >>> >>> >>> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following > majority, per >>> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't > believe we need >>> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct? >>> >>> Yes, but I'm also happy you raised those questions in public > because >>> there is always room for improvement and things we can aim to do > better. >>> >>> >>> LieGrue, >>> strub >>> >>> >>> >>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/deltaspike.html (make sure >>> you force a page refresh) >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: John D. Ament <[email protected]> >>> > To: deltaspike <[email protected]>; Mark > Struberg < >>> [email protected]> >>> > Cc: "[email protected]" < >>> [email protected]> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:34 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for Graduation to an > Apache >>> Top Level Project >>> > >>> > Mark, >>> > >>> > My vote isn't a -1 to DeltaSpike, she's just not ready to > blossom yet. >>> > Maybe another month or two :-) >>> > >>> > I will point out an issue which I don't think we've > resolved yet per the >>> > documentation on incubator.a.o >>> > >>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements >>> > >>> > - We have not established whether DS is a suitable name; e.g. >>> > >>> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH >>> > has >>> > no entry for DeltaSpike. Also we have not forwarded the vote > thread to >>> > [email protected] to let them know we're thinking about it. >>> > >>> > However, most of my comments are around this section of > graduation: >>> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community - I > don't >>> > believe we've done this too well. There are only three > developers I >>> see on >>> > the list that were not on >>> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltaSpikeProposal - In fact we > now >>> have >>> > 16 vs the original 21 proposed (technically does that mean we > shrank?) >>> > >>> > Three releases is good. I think I even saw a podling attempt to >>> graduate >>> > that only released their parent POM a couple times :-) >>> > >>> > Since this is procedural, I'm assuming we're following > majority, per >>> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html . I don't > believe we need >>> > 100% consensus in the matter then, correct? >>> > >>> > John >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Mark Struberg > <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Hi John! >>> >> >>> >> I'm not sure I understand what you mean. >>> >> >>> >> The DeltaSpike project now runs for 1 year. The list of > initial >>> committers >>> >> are all the people who contributed to it in one form or the > other. >>> Means >>> >> code drops, documentation, etc. There are exactly 2 people > from the >>> CODI >>> >> Team in DeltaSpike. These are Gerhard and me. The rest is > from either >>> the >>> >> Seam team or from other teams around the whole CDI area. In > my >>> opinion the >>> >> community works together pretty well. Of course, I would be > happy if >>> there >>> >> are more commits and contributions from the other folks. > There is a >>> pretty >>> >> stable set of 5+ regular committers. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> We also have had 3 releases so far. We just had a bit of a > break >>> because I >>> >> was very busy in my dayjob and Gerhard was busy too. And we > are short >>> >> before our 4th release. I'd say this is quite ok. (Even > if I'd be >>> > happier >>> >> if we would improve our release rate). >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> LieGrue, >>> >> strub >>> >> >>> >> >________________________________ >>> >> > From: John D. Ament <[email protected]> >>> >> >To: [email protected]; Mark Struberg > < >>> >> [email protected]> >>> >> >Cc: deltaspike > <[email protected]> >>> >> >Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:45 PM >>> >> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Recommending DeltaSpike for > Graduation to an >>> Apache >>> >> Top Level Project >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >Sorry, but -1 >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >In my opinion, there are clearly disconnects between the > former CODI >>> > team >>> >> and the former Seam3 team that are showing to be true > blockers to >>> being a >>> >> cohesive community. There has been no real merger of the two >>> communities >>> >> to form DeltaSpike. DeltaSpike has failed to "release > early and >>> > often." >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >I believe for this podling to graduate, we need to become > a single >>> team >>> >> and work on becoming that single team. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >John >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Mark Struberg >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >Lords and Ladies. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>Please find attached the PROPOSAL for graduating > DeltaSpike out of >>> > the >>> >> Incubator and establishing it as TLP. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>[+1] yea, all fine and I like it >>> >> >>[+0] no blocker, but I don't care >>> >> >>[-1] nah there's a blocker in there. Abort and > re-roll because >>> > of >>> >> ${reason} >>> >> >> >>> >> >>The internal VOTE is open for 72h. After that we > gonna tally and >>> > forward >>> >> the VOTE to the IPMC to VOTE about the recommendation. Once > this is >>> done, >>> >> the board might consider our wish in the upcoming board > meeting. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>LieGrue, >>> >> >>strub >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >>--------------- >>> >> >> >>> >> >>Proposed Board Resolution Report >>> >> >>X. Establish the Apache DeltaSpike Project >>> >> >> >>> >> >>WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the > best >>> >> >>interests of the Foundation and consistent with the >>> >> >>Foundation's purpose to establish a Project > Management >>> >> >>Committee charged with the creation and maintenance > of >>> >> >>open-source software related to creating a set >>> >> >>of portable CDI (JSR-299) Extensions >>> >> >>for distribution at no charge to the public. >>> >> >> >>> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project > Management >>> >> >>Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache > DeltaSpike >>> > Project", >>> >> >>be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of > the >>> >> >>Foundation; and be it further >>> >> >> >>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and > hereby is >>> >> >>responsible for the creation and maintenance of > open-source >>> >> >>software related to creating a set of portable CDI > Extensions; >>> >> >>and be it further >>> >> >> >>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, > Apache >>> > DeltaSpike" be >>> >> >>and hereby is created, the person holding such office > to >>> >> >>serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as > the chair >>> >> >>of the Apache DeltaSpike Project, and to have primary >>> > responsibility >>> >> >>for management of the projects within the scope of >>> >> >>responsibility of the Apache DeltaSpike Project; and > be it further >>> >> >> >>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below > be and >>> >> >>hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members > of the >>> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek at apache.org> >>> >> >>Mark Struberg <struberg at apache.org> >>> >> >>Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> >>> >> >>Jason Porter <lightguard.jp at gmail.com> >>> >> >>Shane Bryzak <sbryzak at gmail.com> >>> >> >>Rudy de Busscher <rdebusscher at apache.org >>> >> >>Christian Kaltepoth <christian at kaltepoth.de> >>> >> >>Arne Limburg <arne.limburg at openknowledge.de> >>> >> >>Charles Moulliard <cmoulliard at gmail.com> >>> >> >>Cody Lerum <cody.lerum at gmail.com> >>> >> >>Romain Mannu-Buccau <rmannibucau at gmail.com> >>> >> >>Matthew Jason Benson <mbenson at apache.org> >>> >> >>Jim Jagielski <jim at apache.org> >>> >> >>David Blevins <dblevins at apache.org> >>> >> >>Ken Finnigan <ken at kenfinnigan.me> >>> >> >>John D. Ament <johndament at apache.org> >>> >> >> >>> >> >>NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Mark > Struberg >>> >> >>be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache > DeltaSpike, to >>> >> >>serve in accordance with and subject to the direction > of the >>> >> >>Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation > until >>> >> >>death, resignation, retirement, removal or > disqualification, >>> >> >>or until a successor is appointed; and be it further >>> >> >> >>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the initial Apache DeltaSpike PMC be > and hereby is >>> >> >>tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended > to >>> >> >>encourage open development and increased > participation in the >>> >> >>Apache DeltaSpike Project; and be it further >>> >> >> >>> >> >>RESOLVED, that the Apache DeltaSpike Project be and > hereby >>> >> >>is tasked with the migration and rationalization of > the Apache >>> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling; and be it further >>> >> >> >>> >> >>RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the > Apache >>> >> >>Incubator DeltaSpike podling encumbered upon the > Apache Incubator >>> >> >>Project are hereafter discharged. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DeltaSpike/Graduation+Proposal >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> >
