I have always assumed that a backup create by 
"SYSCS_UTIL.SYSCS_BACKUP_DATABASE" system procedure creates a fully functional 
backup copy of the database.  I have used it as such with no issues.   I have 
replaced the original database with the backup and the continued.   Not that I 
did not try processing any transaction logs to get it up to current state.   I 
simply shutdown the system, deleted the current database, copied the backup 
database in place, and restarted the system.   I did not use the 
"restoreFrom=path" or the "createFrom=path" connection options.  I guess in 
doing so, I lose the system's "copying the log file to the same location they 
were when the backup was taken", but then again, I have left the log files in 
their default location.

>From the manual, it states for the SYSCS_UTIL.SYSCS_BACKUP_DATABASE:

The procedure then copies the entire original database directory (including 
data files, online transaction log files, and jar files) to the specified 
backup directory.

And for the restoring using "restoreFrom" connection attribute:

If a database with the same name exists in the derby.system.home location, the 
system will delete the database, copy it from the backup location, and then 
restart it.

So it seems to me that the restore is simply a copy of the files back and 
restart the database.   From this, I believe the backup database is a fully 
functioning database.

I would wish that better examples for actually using the log archive mode and 
rolling forward recovery.   I don't really understand the whole roll-forward 
recovery mechanism especially of what to do with the online archived logs.   I 
can't figure out what to do with the archived log files and when they can be 
removed.    For a system that is going to be pretty much limited touch (or as 
close to zero as possible) and having something like a backup cron job fire off 
to trigger a backup, I cannot determine from the manuals what the proper 
process would be to use roll-forward recovery.


From: Myrna van Lunteren [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 1:26 PM
To: derbydev
Subject: some questions regarding backups...

Hi,
I have some questions regarding backups, and I hope the community can help 
answer these...
1. Can a backup of a database be used as a database?
The directory structure of a backed up database looks very similar to a normal 
database.
1.b. What's the difference, if any?
I think though that actually using a backed up database as if it is a database 
destroys it as a back-up, that is, once you start using it, even just for 
selects, the most recent transaction log will conflict with the ones in the 
original database.
1.c. Is this interpretation correct?
1.d. What would the expected behavior be if someone would use such a 
compromised backup to restore?

2. If no other activity has taken place, should the file sizes for the .dat 
files in the seg0 be the same in a backed up database as the database from 
which it was taken?
Thanks,
Myrna

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