Army wrote:


Users may also want to remember the policy of "scratch your own itch" or "fry your own fish": I as a developer tend to have more time and inclination to address issues with contributed code closer to the time I actually made the contribution.

This is a good point and I bet your immediate understanding and ability to turn around fixes is better when you are actively working on it. It is really critical that users test the beta now and not later but already it is very late. An even earlier partnership between the user community and development would have greatly reduced the regression risk for this change. Folks who wanted this improvement could have signed up to test along the way and we could have gotten much more input. We treat our user/developer relationship too much like a fine dining establishment. Developers deliver a dish cooked, users take a bite and see if they like it and then send it back if they don't. We need our users in the kitchen tasting as we go along. Army is right. If the dish is free and the cook was cooking for fun, it is hard to get a rebake. Please test now.

http://people.apache.org/~rhillegas/10.2.1.3-beta/

For other popular performance and feature improvements like DERBY-47, I hope we can use a different model. A development/user partnership where users get the high quality improvements they want by providing development the testing support needed along the way and development communicates where user help is needed and most valuable and where they are at risk. We break down the wall between the kitchen and the dining room and work together to product "consistently high quality software."

For now we need users urgent help to try 10.2 beta. It's 5:55 and dinner is scheduled at 6:00. We have a feeling something is wrong but don't know what it is or what to do about it. Please come take a taste before we put it on the table.

Thanks

Kathey










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